RE: Good and Evil
May 6, 2015 at 3:32 pm
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2015 at 3:37 pm by AdamLOV.)
(May 5, 2015 at 11:47 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(May 5, 2015 at 7:19 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: No. A dead animal is still an animal.It is no longer animate, is it? Therefore, it is not an animal anymore; but rather, a pile of inanimate material, i.e. the corpse of an animal.
What if the materials that used to compose the dead, inanimate animal, are reanimated (i.e. in the case of crude oil)?
Then it would make sense to speak about the present absence (or absent presence) of inanimate, dead creatures that have been "resurrected", so to speak. In this case, their interests could be said to make an important difference. The truth of the matter is that contemporary society is built on reanimating and burning dead beings. The corpse, or rather, fossilized remains of a dead animal are therefore more than "piles of inanimate material".
*in the case of the petrochemical industry
(May 5, 2015 at 5:30 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:"Questions about ethics only apply to humans"? So its okay to abuse animals, keep them in conditions worse than slavery. All that lies outside of the realm of ethics. That is a rather extreme position. One could defend such anthropocentrism, it is true (most of philosophy and ethics has, to date, been anthropocentric), but there are many negative side-effects of keeping animals in conditions of abject misery. For instance, it has been shown that industrialized agriculture contributes to disease-propagation among those unfortunate farm animals integrated into an economic system that abuses living things to an astounding degree. To exclude any living thing apart from homo sapiens is not only the height of presumption, but also, pragmatically speaking, a dangerous folly that could have severe repurcussions for humanity as a species.(May 5, 2015 at 2:43 pm)AdamLOV Wrote: If the wise choice were to consist in behaving according to one's own nature, then it is still incomprehensible why the survival of a human being should matter more than the self-replication of a virus.If your point is that human life only has value to humans, then it is a trivial one. Questions about ethics only apply to creatures endowed with reason and the capacity to freely act upon their thoughts.
(May 5, 2015 at 2:43 pm)AdamLOV Wrote: So as to really annoy believers in truth, I would also like to throw in a quote from Michel Foucault: "'Truth' is to be understood as a system of ordered procedures for the production, regulation, circulation and of operation of statements. 'Truth' is linked in a circular relation with systems of power which produce and sustain it, and to effects of power which it induces and which extend it. A 'regime' of truth.”The Foucault quote makes no reference to the conformity of propositions with objective reality. So in actuality, he’s only talking about how people use diction and grammar. The quote says nothing whatsoever about knowledge.
(May 5, 2015 at 4:33 pm)Hatshepsut Wrote: Adam LOV introduced the question of whether essences are real in any meaningful sense…one can point to the sociological essentialism holding that traits like race, ethnicity, and gender are immutable. This essentialism was cited to help support colonialism and racial apartheid policies no longer considered ethical. We now hold that race, ethnicity, and gender are all social constructs.You are correct to say that race, ethnicity and gender are social constructs. It does not follow from that fact that there is no such thing as human nature. The theory of evolution was used to justify eugenics, genocide, and social Darwinism. Those misapplications of the theory did not invalidate the theory of evolution.
(May 5, 2015 at 4:33 pm)Hatshepsut Wrote: …the fact that ethics evolve over time shows that whatever's "inside" situations of right and wrong isn't immutable, that is, it isn't a pure essence like "triangleness" is for triangles.Scientific understanding also has evolved over time. People today have a much more accurate and precise understanding of objective reality than their predecessors. Just because it is easier to understand the nature of triangles (or electrons) doesn’t mean that something as complex as a human being doesn’t have an essential nature. It just takes more effort and discernment to uncover it. Understanding human nature will always be a work in progress, but if you abstract away all the accidental properties of something what remains are the essential properties without which a particular would cease to partake of the universal. With respect to people, the things that differentiate one human from the next, like skin color and sex, are accidental features. The common features shared by all humans are essential features, like rationality. The objectivity of moral judgment depends on keeping these distinct.