RE: What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 6, 2015 at 3:41 pm
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2015 at 3:42 pm by Dystopia.)
(May 6, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:What if this god does not interact with the universe?(May 6, 2015 at 2:59 pm)Dystopia Wrote: I think some atheists exaggerate when demanding evidence. Asking for physical evidence for a supernatural creator that exists outside time and space seems ridiculous and unreasonable to me, so I'll be happy with a coherent, logically consistent deductive argument that leads me to conclude a god needs to exist (either to explain, justify or fill in something that is completely and forever empty)
The idea of a supernatural creator that exists outside time and space is a ridiculous and unreasonable concept in the first place. There is no need to request evidence for such a being, because the very concept is incoherent.
Existence itself requires space and time, so existence that is without time and space is meaningless.
But, for arguments sake, lets say there is a god that exists outside of time and space. If this god interacts with this universe at all (miracles, answering prayer, etc), then it would leave physical evidence, and therefore asking for evidence is well within reason.
I think it is intellectually dishonest to refuse the concept in the first place because you consider it ridiculous - I could do that with anything I wanted to repeal the possibility of debating.
You are assuming theists want to scientifically prove god exists when some just use philosophical possibilities but don't assert with certainty.
I'm not arguing in favour of god's existence, I just think some atheist arguments are fallacious and it's possible to improve the position
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