RE: Transubstantiation 'miracle' shenanigans
May 14, 2015 at 5:50 pm
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2015 at 5:57 pm by Hatshepsut.)
The Galileo story is long, and not as simple as we make it out to be. It is mainly political despite the religion freely mixed in; Galileo had made many enemies. Cardinal Bellarmine, who had protected him from Fathers Lorini and Caccini during the 1616 inquest, was dead by 1632 when Pope Urban VIII entered the fray. Galileo's decision to publish Two New Sciences in Italian rather than Latin, in effect going over the Aristotelian scholars' heads in a direct appeal to the public, sealed his fate. A good summary account is given by
Linder at UMKC Law School: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ft...count.html
However, as Linder says, the event put paid to the Italian Renaissance, with the Counter-Reformation now in full brutal swing.
And the snake's apparent truthfulness is a big part of what this story was supposed to convey, that goes unappreciated by most readers. Thanks for highlighting it. The Canaanite and Babylonian theologies that influenced the Hebrew bible at various times admitted of tricksterism by deity. God can deceive and manipulate persons, or honor contracts for inheritance where the principal has gained by fraud, as with Jacob over Esau in Genesis chaps. 25 & 27. The garden story is told by the Yahwist, who evolves into the faction proscribing polytheism, yet the trickster is hardly discarded; it's still there with Balaam on his talking donkey in Numbers 22. Why? It is a topic in the textual research into the bible today. God also hardens Pharaoh's heart numerous times in Exodus, then still holds Egypt accountable for withholding liberty from the Israelites.
Plenty of fossil Mormons exist, inflating that claim of 15 million members. I may still be on the rolls at some churches I attended a long time ago, as I've never asked for removal.
Linder at UMKC Law School: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ft...count.html
However, as Linder says, the event put paid to the Italian Renaissance, with the Counter-Reformation now in full brutal swing.
(May 14, 2015 at 3:25 am)robvalue Wrote: God cannot lie then? ... He said [Adam & Eve would] die the day they ate the fruit [of the tree of knowledge;] they did not. The snake correctly identifies the lie.
And the snake's apparent truthfulness is a big part of what this story was supposed to convey, that goes unappreciated by most readers. Thanks for highlighting it. The Canaanite and Babylonian theologies that influenced the Hebrew bible at various times admitted of tricksterism by deity. God can deceive and manipulate persons, or honor contracts for inheritance where the principal has gained by fraud, as with Jacob over Esau in Genesis chaps. 25 & 27. The garden story is told by the Yahwist, who evolves into the faction proscribing polytheism, yet the trickster is hardly discarded; it's still there with Balaam on his talking donkey in Numbers 22. Why? It is a topic in the textual research into the bible today. God also hardens Pharaoh's heart numerous times in Exodus, then still holds Egypt accountable for withholding liberty from the Israelites.
(May 14, 2015 at 8:30 am)Pyrrho Wrote: Strangely, many people are members of churches with which they disagree.
Plenty of fossil Mormons exist, inflating that claim of 15 million members. I may still be on the rolls at some churches I attended a long time ago, as I've never asked for removal.
