(May 15, 2015 at 3:53 pm)Freedom4me Wrote:(May 15, 2015 at 3:42 pm)TRJF Wrote: As paraphrased on Wikipedia, a fellow by the name of John JF Sawyer says, of that passage of Isaiah:
"Isaiah seems always to have had a prominent place in Jewish Bible use, and it is probable that Jesus himself was deeply influenced by Isaiah, and that he took it as his destiny to fulfill Isaiah ("a man of suffering, and familiar with pain... he bore the sin of many"). Thus many of the Isaiah passages that are familiar to Christians gained their popularity not directly from Isaiah but from the use of them by Jesus and the early Christian authors..."
And even that's assuming a lot that hasn't been shown...
But Jesus was tortured to death by way of crucifixion--a Roman form of torture and execution. I don't think that Jesus (if He were not God in the flesh) could have known that crucifixion would be the method that the Jewish leaders would be using to kill Him.
Hasn't it occurred to you that Jesus' alleged prescience might have been attributed to him after the fact by his shattered and disappointed followers who had to make sense of an otherwise senseless tragedy? And why must Jesus have been 'God in the flesh' to foresee a bad end for one such as him, who allegedly butted heads with the Temple leaders and by extension the Roman authorities?
"What, you mean that if the Romans think I'm preaching sedition I might be crucified?!? You're kidding!"
"No, Jesus, I'm not kidding -- moron."