(May 15, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Freedom4me Wrote: How do we know when we've gotten something wrong? The point I'm attempting to make is that by what measure (standard) do we determine that a society got something wrong? How do we decide that the Nazis were wrong to haul the Jews away and kill millions of them? Without God, it seems to me that we are left to decide what is just or unjust by majority opinion. I think that is unacceptable given the history of even the past century. It is as though human beings are incapable of truly living up to their potential. Do you think that the past 100 years of human history shows that humans have learned anything useful about morality and how to promote justice for all?
I can't speak for everyone, but I get my morality from a reasonable analysis of the consequences of my actions. Things are objectively bad. Forcing or tricking an innnocent person into drinking bleach will always be bad because the effects of bleach are objective no matter who has an opinion on it. A lot of things are subjective but some are objective. For the Mayans, sacrificing a person every day was perfectly moral because it made the sun rise every day. Just saying that morality is a lot more complicated than just some supreme being dictating what is good and bad.
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech