(May 19, 2015 at 8:29 pm)Freedom4me Wrote: I think my point is valid. It's true that what is "the most just" is often impossible for us to ascertain with perfect precision, but we strive for justice because we are certain that it truly and objectively exists, and that we ought to seek after it. That, IMO, is the reason why race-based slavery is no longer tolerated in most of the world. Things that are purely subjective, such as "cashews taste better than peanuts" would be silly to argue about. But human beings will always argue about what is more/less just.
Do not mistake conceptual for subjective; conceptual things can still refer, in part, to objective reality, without existing as objective entities beyond the minds that consider them. Justice is one such concept; it is itself not objectively real, but it refers to several objective facts about reality and how we interact with it, and using those facts as a yardstick we can determine the quality of justice that a given scenario has.
The far larger issue, however, is that you continue to merely assert that things like justice are products of, or inextricably tied to, your god, without ever feeling the need to argue or support that claim. This is why your point is not valid; what you've said so far is no more impressive than if I'd simply argued back that moral absolutes are evidence of Vishnu. Are you ready to become a Hindu because I said that?
If not, then why would your simple assertion that moral absolutes are evidence for your god make anyone else a christian?
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