(May 15, 2015 at 2:21 pm)Freedom4me Wrote: The universe is orderly and purposeful in certain ways. How could impersonal stuff like matter and energy "obey" laws of any kind? Where do the laws of nature and the laws of logic come from? If there is no god, why do so many atheists care so much about the non-existence of a supposedly fictional deity? Please don't take any offense to my words. I'm not trying to offend anyone here. I'm just asking a few questions that seem to be fair.I suppose the universe may be seen as orderly in some ways, though I am not sure how it is purposeful. What is the purpose of gamma ray bursts, aside from obliterating everything within its reach? In any case, the order is what we occasionally find, and the laws describe the way things appear to work based on our understanding of the universe. If we focus on the few bits that seem ordered and ignore the rest, then we may suddenly find order and purpose in an otherwise chaotic and purposeless universe.
As for the second, it's not that I care about the non-existence of god. It's that the belief in god has effects both direct and indirect on our lives, via community and social standards and behavior and via laws and regulations. People fight to have creationism taught as science alongside evolution, a sign that they have absolutely no idea about what evolution is or how established it is in reality (nor how teaching works, since "teaching creationism" amounts to a few direct assertions and nothing else). They get in the way of human learning and progress by demanding that the world take the ignorant statements of ancient fiction writers as immutable fact. Those are things I care about, and they are real issues and real problems. If belief in god(s) did not affect society in those ways, I would pay god even less attention than I already do.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould