(May 22, 2015 at 11:22 am)Esquilax Wrote:(May 21, 2015 at 5:06 pm)Freedom4me Wrote: I do understand that the pre-biotic earth must have been extremely different than anything that I can imagine. But I still think that open system or closed, prebiotic or post, whatever the second law says, it is basically saying that even if I run my baseball glove up a flag pole and keep it there for millions of years ...so nature (lightning?) can act on it, the baseball glove will completely disintegrate LONG before the unpredictable forces of nature ever get a chance to change it into something vastly more ordered. Where am I wrong? And thanks for being so patient with me!
Here's the thing: there's not a lot to respond to here. You think it's not possible... so what? Where's the actual thing I need to address, in "I don't think this is possible."?
We have people who have created the building blocks of life from chemicals, without any intervention from them, just by putting them in conditions that are closer to the prebiotic Earth, and running an electrical current through them; that's why I suggested you do a search for the Miller-Urey or Joan Oros experiments. The fact that you think your baseball glove will disintegrate is meaningless, firstly because you can't extrapolate what might happen to your mitt to every other form of matter in the universe, for reasons that should be obvious, but also because, well, people have already proven that this stuff is possible. You're arguing against something for which we have literally seen the framework of the process.
True, and I've read about the Miller-Urey experiment, and other similar experiments. But the all-important question is, does "nature" display a plan, a purpose, and the know-how by which to build machines? For example, every living cell requires some energy in order to carry out the various tasks that are necessary for the cell to feed itself, get rid of waste, etc. But that energy has to be made available in just the right form, at the right time, and it needs to be routed to just the right place within the cell. Every living cell is like car. All of the parts form various machines, and these machines do specific things for a specific purpose. Without teleonomy (plan with a purpose) you don't get machines in nature or anywhere else.