RE: Nature's Laws
May 23, 2015 at 9:59 pm
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2015 at 10:13 pm by Freedom4me.)
(May 23, 2015 at 12:39 pm)Iroscato Wrote: Freedom4me, do you believe in unicorns?
If you're asking me if I believe that unicorns actually do exist, my answer is no.
(May 23, 2015 at 3:22 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(May 22, 2015 at 7:12 pm)Freedom4me Wrote: What I'm saying (hopefully in a humble way) is that living things show "teleonomy" planning, purpose, and know-how. Just to provide a quick example, the ability of an organism to reproduce itself is one example of teleonomy. There are other ways that teleonomy is seen in nature.
How is reproduction an example of teleonomy? No, seriously: how did you determine that there was planning and purpose in reproduction? Because so far, all you've done is assert completely without justification, that reproduction is an example of this, and that seems to be your standard method of arguing your position regarding this too; you simply demand that X, Y, and Z are examples of the thing you're trying to prove, so there. But "because I said so," is not a reason to accept your claims as true, and if we're at the level of argumentation where just saying something counts as a cogent thought, then reproduction is an example of no teleonomy, so there.
Again, we've both provided the same level of evidence; why should your claim be privileged above mine? What is the method by which you determine that something was made with purpose or intent? For that matter, how can a process like reproduction have a maker at all?
Are you serious? Just so I understand what you're saying, is it your opinion that living things just know how make copies of themselves without any plan, purpose, or reason that directed or instructed them to do so?
