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Rational belief
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RE: Rational belief
(September 20, 2010 at 5:51 am)Rayaan Wrote: I don't think it's possible to prove God through logical analysis. Why? Because to do that we have to know certain things and/or qualities of God which are not possible to know, and therefore, we can't be too sure if all the premises are true or not.

So in other words you believe in something you know nothing about, Is that correct? If you have belief in an entity of which you cannot be in any way sure of then i must really wonder about the motivation for such a belief...

You surely must have some reasons for belief in God... Are any of them rational though?

Quote: We have to understand all of God's attributes before we try to form any statements about Him.

Firstly, why is it that God and only God is something that cannot be spoken of unless it is known completely? Can you name any other phenomenon in existence that you readily believe even though you have no understanding of them and subsequently what their effects might be?

Secondly, if we are unable to make statements about the properties of this unknowable entity, Should that not include judging whether or not such a being exists?

Quote:However, that is not possible since this is something beyond our knowledge. I know that many thinkers have already created proofs for God's existence but then they were refuted by other arguments. I don't think I'll be at successful at finding a proof by myself either.

Again, "Beyond our knowledge" means "unknowable" - Why do you believe in something that you have no way of knowing the existence of?

Why specifically do you think there is a god? Does this come down to emotion or incredulity for you?

Quote:Trying to prove to God through logic seems to go around in circles only. But maybe it's one of those which is true but you can't prove it to be true. Something to do with Godel's incompleteness theorem I guess.

There are many things that are true that we do not know to be true, but in none of these other instances does one believe that the phenomenon is true, let alone allow it to inform their entire worldview.


(September 20, 2010 at 4:36 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: 1. The Big Bang, while incompatible with Islamo-Christian ideas of the creation, still seems like a dramatic and miraculous event. Stephen Hawking's latest book may challenge this. I plan to read it as soon as I can. Who knows, he may convince me to shift to atheism.

You mean incompatible with the literal interpretation of Genesis?

Also, how is it rational to believe in a deity with no evidence for his intervention nor any logical necessity? It seems to me like you are committing a fallacy, that being an argument from personal incredulity.

I highly recommend the Grand Design btw, it's a very good summary of the reasons for thinking M-Theory is true, as well as a look at the implications of such a theory.

Quote:2. How life got started on this world (although abiogenesis may challenge this).

This too as a reason for belief is personal incredulity.

Quote:3. So many things came together in our evolution that enabled us to develop our highly advanced brains, coupled with opposable thumbs, that made our subsequent civilization possible. "God's Gift of Reason".

Right, and we have a theory that is entirely capable of explaining all such phenomenon to a high degree of accuracy while not depending on the existence of a deity in any way. Seeing a such a comprehensive theory exists explaining the mechanism, for what reason do you think a deity must have had a presence in this process?

Quote:4. My "homosexuality proves God" argument which atheists will find just as unconvincing as #3 but at least it's one that may be new. One can only talk about that damn watch in the desert for so long.

You wanna clarify? I've never heard the 'argument from men sucking cock' before Tongue

Quote:5. I get to identify with great minds from history who had great hair. Oh wait, that's not a logical reason, is it?

Tongue None of them were logical reasons.
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Messages In This Thread
Rational belief - by theVOID - September 19, 2010 at 9:43 pm
RE: Rational belief - by padraic - September 19, 2010 at 9:54 pm
RE: Rational belief - by theVOID - September 19, 2010 at 10:06 pm
RE: Rational belief - by tackattack - September 19, 2010 at 10:42 pm
RE: Rational belief - by Captain Scarlet - September 20, 2010 at 4:22 pm
RE: Rational belief - by Rayaan - September 20, 2010 at 5:51 am
RE: Rational belief - by theVOID - September 20, 2010 at 5:42 pm
RE: Rational belief - by DeistPaladin - September 20, 2010 at 7:20 pm
RE: Rational belief - by theVOID - September 20, 2010 at 8:25 pm
RE: Rational belief - by DeistPaladin - September 20, 2010 at 11:29 pm
RE: Rational belief - by theVOID - September 21, 2010 at 6:57 pm
RE: Rational belief - by DeistPaladin - September 22, 2010 at 8:23 am
RE: Rational belief - by theVOID - September 22, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RE: Rational belief - by DeistPaladin - September 22, 2010 at 5:16 pm
RE: Rational belief - by gargantuan - September 20, 2010 at 6:37 am
RE: Rational belief - by chatpilot - September 20, 2010 at 7:44 am
RE: Rational belief - by gargantuan - September 20, 2010 at 8:38 am
RE: Rational belief - by DeistPaladin - September 20, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RE: Rational belief - by padraic - September 20, 2010 at 10:07 pm
RE: Rational belief - by theVOID - September 20, 2010 at 10:18 pm
RE: Rational belief - by Saracen - September 21, 2010 at 12:56 am
RE: Rational belief - by gargantuan - September 21, 2010 at 7:58 pm
RE: Rational belief - by Saracen - September 22, 2010 at 12:01 am
RE: Rational belief - by Entropist - September 22, 2010 at 12:41 am
RE: Rational belief - by radames - September 22, 2010 at 7:45 pm
RE: Rational belief - by gargantuan - September 22, 2010 at 10:31 pm
RE: Rational belief - by Minimalist - September 22, 2010 at 10:42 pm
RE: Rational belief - by radames - September 23, 2010 at 4:01 am
RE: Rational belief - by Minimalist - September 23, 2010 at 10:58 am
RE: Rational belief - by LastPoet - September 23, 2010 at 12:03 pm
RE: Rational belief - by radames - September 23, 2010 at 1:35 pm
RE: Rational belief - by Minimalist - September 23, 2010 at 2:01 pm
RE: Rational belief - by jason56 - September 23, 2010 at 8:42 pm
RE: Rational belief - by Minimalist - September 23, 2010 at 10:18 pm
RE: Rational belief - by padraic - September 23, 2010 at 10:35 pm
RE: Rational belief - by jason56 - September 23, 2010 at 11:54 pm
RE: Rational belief - by Skipper - September 24, 2010 at 9:21 am
RE: Rational belief - by gargantuan - September 24, 2010 at 8:47 am
RE: Rational belief - by radames - September 24, 2010 at 12:46 am
RE: Rational belief - by Minimalist - September 24, 2010 at 9:30 am
RE: Rational belief - by gargantuan - September 24, 2010 at 1:59 pm

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