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Do atheists fake egalitarianism?
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RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism?
(May 26, 2015 at 3:00 pm)Heywood Wrote:
(May 26, 2015 at 2:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Nature doesn't care one way or another.  Are you seriously arguing that genders et al. that are deserving of equal treatment cannot evolve naturally.  We are evolved to be a social species.  We depend upon one another for the benefit of the whole.  In that situation it would be reasonable that, regardless of whatever inequalities may exist, by granting everyone equivalent opportunity, we are maximizing the utility of our resources.  Your mistake is in presuming that egalitarianism postulates that the different classes are the same, rather than that they should be treated the same.  If that is your understanding of what it means to be egalitarian, then no, I'm not egalitarian.  I think you have a defective understanding of the word.
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"Deserving of equal treatment" is an assumption.  An unconscious non intelligent Nature does not evolve assumptions.  If it is a fact that genders et al are deserving of equal treatment then the occurrence of such a fact is more likely the result of a meddling of an intellect rather than random happenstance.

And as I pointed out, nature evolved us as a social species, and it is the requirements of prospering as a social species which lead to the choice of egalitarianism. The meddling intellect evolved in such a way that this is the most profitable meddling. Our intellect didn't choose to make us a social species; we evolved that trait. The rest is contingent upon us having evolved to be a social species. No, egalitarianism didn't evolve as a free standing attribute, but even if it had, you've given no reason why it couldn't. You're strawmanning evolution by calling it mere happenstance; evolution works under the constraints of natural selection. You're misrepresenting that the alternative to your god theory is mere randomness; it isn't. We evolved our social nature as a response to the contingencies presented by the environment we evolved in, in relation to our phenotype. It wasn't "random happenstance."
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Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Heywood - May 26, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Longhorn - May 26, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Pyrrho - May 26, 2015 at 1:09 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Pyrrho - May 26, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Chad32 - May 26, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Heywood - May 26, 2015 at 1:00 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Pyrrho - May 26, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Alex K - May 26, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Heywood - May 26, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Alex K - May 26, 2015 at 1:16 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Pyrrho - May 26, 2015 at 1:31 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Cephus - May 26, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by JesusHChrist - May 26, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Chad32 - May 26, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Pyrrho - May 26, 2015 at 1:01 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Alex K - May 26, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Minimalist - May 26, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Alex K - May 26, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by JesusHChrist - May 26, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Heywood - May 26, 2015 at 1:23 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Heywood - May 26, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Jenny A - May 26, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by JesusHChrist - May 26, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Angrboda - May 26, 2015 at 1:18 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by paulpablo - May 26, 2015 at 1:21 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by robvalue - May 26, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Esquilax - May 26, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by JesusHChrist - May 26, 2015 at 1:41 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by robvalue - May 26, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Esquilax - May 26, 2015 at 1:55 pm
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RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Chad32 - May 26, 2015 at 2:04 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Heywood - May 26, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Alex K - May 26, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Esquilax - May 26, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Angrboda - May 26, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Heywood - May 26, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Cato - May 26, 2015 at 3:06 pm
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RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Chad32 - May 26, 2015 at 4:04 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Esquilax - May 26, 2015 at 3:07 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Angrboda - May 26, 2015 at 3:22 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Heywood - May 26, 2015 at 3:36 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Esquilax - May 26, 2015 at 4:03 pm
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RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Angrboda - May 26, 2015 at 4:32 pm
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RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by FreeTony - May 26, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Jenny A - May 26, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Heywood - May 26, 2015 at 4:00 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Jenny A - May 26, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by robvalue - May 26, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Heywood - May 26, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Pyrrho - May 26, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Alex K - May 26, 2015 at 4:44 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Esquilax - May 26, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Jackalope - May 26, 2015 at 7:41 pm
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RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by robvalue - May 27, 2015 at 1:51 am
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RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Alex K - May 27, 2015 at 1:47 am
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RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Ben Davis - May 27, 2015 at 8:57 am
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RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Ben Davis - May 27, 2015 at 9:19 am
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Ben Davis - May 28, 2015 at 7:29 am
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RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by Pyrrho - May 28, 2015 at 11:50 am
RE: Do atheists fake egalitarianism? - by ignoramus - May 28, 2015 at 5:07 am
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