Peace....
The standard theory holds that it "Sprang" or appeared.
That aside it would not really matter much if we decided that the singularity was infinitely present. It would have been infinitely dense, with zero volume and completely static with no matter or space outside of itself. -
The Change in state from inactive to active would be consistent with "springing".
I wasn't contradicting myself at all, however, for the sake of moving forward I agree that matter arrived with space and time.
I never said energy was supernatural nor did I even imply it.
I think you lost track of my point.
My point was directed toward the idea that physical processes without material would be extra-or super natural by definition..
It is not a straw man argument, It is part of my proposition. In order for it to be a straw man I would have to offer the position as a counter to something someone else has claimed. So...Uh...What are you talking about?
Should I remind you that you agreed with three of my[/b] initial statements...?
I am going to get some rest..I'll finish this later...
Quote:First problem: There is no reason to believe that the singularity ever "appeared" (was not there and then was) The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed and as thermodynamics is compatible with Big Bang cosmology, to say the singularity "appeared" is mistaken
The standard theory holds that it "Sprang" or appeared.
That aside it would not really matter much if we decided that the singularity was infinitely present. It would have been infinitely dense, with zero volume and completely static with no matter or space outside of itself. -
The Change in state from inactive to active would be consistent with "springing".
Quote:You are internally contradicting yourself now. Even if your above premise was true (which it isn't), matter cannot "originate" both at the singularity and the big bang. We have reason for believing that it was created in the big bang along with space and time.
I wasn't contradicting myself at all, however, for the sake of moving forward I agree that matter arrived with space and time.
Quote:Wrong again, energy is not supernatural. Matter is quantized energy in various amounts and charges, but energy is not necessarily matter.
An intelligent, creative force would only be "natural" (in the sense of naturalism) if he was made of matter and/or energy.
I never said energy was supernatural nor did I even imply it.
I think you lost track of my point.
My point was directed toward the idea that physical processes without material would be extra-or super natural by definition..
Quote:I agree it's a stupid idea, so it's a good thing that it's a complete Straw-man argument.
It is not a straw man argument, It is part of my proposition. In order for it to be a straw man I would have to offer the position as a counter to something someone else has claimed. So...Uh...What are you talking about?
Quote:Seeing as your initial premises are all flawed the conclusion is already logically invalid, but i'll continue for the hell of it...
Should I remind you that you agreed with three of my[/b] initial statements...?
I am going to get some rest..I'll finish this later...
