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Poll: What is "will" to you?
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Radically free in the full blooded libertarian sense.
0%
0 0%
Free but inescapably (and thankfully) constrained.
17.65%
3 17.65%
Compulsory. Nothing gets willed unless I get off my lazy ass.
5.88%
1 5.88%
Free when not impeded by the will of another or circumstances beyond my feeble powers.
11.76%
2 11.76%
"Will" is an illusion of the mind, a concept believed by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
23.53%
4 23.53%
Will is epiphenomenal, a byproduct of useful processes of the brain.
23.53%
4 23.53%
Other please explain unless the repeated call to so causes nausea. Check with your doctor to see if your constitution is strong enough for this debate.
17.65%
3 17.65%
Total 17 vote(s) 100%
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Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
Quote:I don't think your counter-examples are sufficiently similar to mind to draw conclusions from, at least for me.
Then your comments regarding systems, effects, and the relationship between them could not support your statements- even if they were correct - which they demonstrably aren't.  

The problem that you propose, requiring magic, simply does not exist for systems and their effects (or for mind/brain upon those grounds), and you are not willing to modify your statements about systems and effects when presented with clear counterexamples. Mind/Brain is different than systems and their effects when those systems plainly do precede their effects. Fine. So, I assume you had a system in mind which you did think was similar enough..and of which this statement regarding their effects -is- true.......since you began all of this by means of observing the relationship between systems and effects......?

Hey, don't get me wrong, maybe the brain/mind bit is different, and maybe mind did arise simultaneously with a brain that could support it - but regardless of whether either is true it won't be for any reason you've given in this thread.
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'? - by The Grand Nudger - May 29, 2015 at 3:27 pm

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