RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play
June 2, 2015 at 4:43 pm
(This post was last modified: June 2, 2015 at 4:49 pm by Longhorn.)
(June 2, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Drich Wrote: Do you remember the first time you used a GPS or a turn by turn service? Where was the 'proof' in that your garmin or tomtom worked? was it in the person making the claim, or was it in the following of said device to your first destination? "Proof" can work both ways but as you can plainly see is not limited to the person making the positive claim. Proof can also be found in the successful execution of said claim.
If God says the only way to find me is for the seeker to "A,B,C" do you think God can be found any other way? Until you follow your first turn by turn navigation trip, you only have the word of others that the turn by turn navigation works. The same is true with God. Until you do what He says do, the only confirmation you will get of God is through those who have "used the GPS" in the bible and found Him.
You are trying to put philosophical constraints on a principle that they do not fit on.
the problem here is, if one seeks god and doesn't find him, you'll just say they aren't seeking properly. so if the claim isn't executed successfully, you just assert it hasn't been done properly, thus dismissing he failure. that's dishonest.
are you really saying that the notion of god is not a philosophical question?
(June 2, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Drich Wrote: There are many things in this world that we must experience for ourselves before we have 'proof' they exist.
name them
(June 2, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Drich Wrote: I do not disagree. Matter of fact that's kinda what I said minus the fact that many of you will point out that God had babies killed, and glance over the fact that we 'man' since 1980 have killed a billion plus.. Let say God had 10,000 or even 100,000 babies killed, or lets say a million babies were put to death by God... That doesn't even touch the 17 million killed this year by 'civilized' man.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
Yet because the Jews sang a song about smashing their captors babies against the rocks... God is a monster. Yep no hypocrisy their.
if, as the bible claims, god created humans and is omnipotent, he is fully responsible for all crimes committed by them... also allegedly against him. not to mention the divine plan, which means god meant all of those atrocities to happen in the first place.
(June 2, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Drich Wrote: Not what I was saying sport. I was saying 'Science' is your god.
how, exaclty?
do we worship science? do we say science loves us? do we claim science created the universe?
if you mean, as I assume, that science is as important to atheists as god is to theists....that's a pretty big generalization, and one I don't fit. and I'm sure many don't. it clearly isn't the most important thing in many atheists' lives
