RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play
June 2, 2015 at 5:27 pm
(This post was last modified: June 2, 2015 at 5:28 pm by Drich.)
(June 2, 2015 at 4:43 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: the problem here is, if one seeks god and doesn't find him, you'll just say they aren't seeking properly. so if the claim isn't executed successfully, you just assert it hasn't been done properly, thus dismissing he failure. that's dishonest.The Instructions are clearly outlined in Luke 11. We must Ask, Seek, and Knock for the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is indeed God. If we Receive a Measure of the Holy Spirit we receive 'proof' of God. Jesus said that if we who are evil know how to give good gifts when our children A/S/K of us, How much more will God give the Gift of the Spirit to those who A/S/K of Him?
The thing is out of everyone who has ever claimed to do this on this website willing admits to just A/S they all stop Knocking when their wishes are not granted.
Quote:are you really saying that the notion of god is not a philosophical question?What I am saying is if the 'notion of God IS a Philosophical question' then it is one what will always remain a mystery to you. God or rather the knowledge of God is a gift given to all who A/S/K for Him. Rather to all who can follow His simple directions.
(June 2, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Drich Wrote: There are many things in this world that we must experience for ourselves before we have 'proof' they exist.
Quote:name themLove, is the one I was thinking of. It is intangible and unquantifiable. Yes we can measure chemical reactions in the brain but when duplicated in monkies it did not produce the same form or feelings of attachment. Those who know love, know how powerful an emotion it is. How it can motivate to build up and or destroy. how it can lead one to give his life for another, but at the same time if one never understands or experience love, it becomes a point of embitterment or resentment. a reason to hate others who do share or experience love.
Again All 'Directions/instructions' fall into this category. One has to experience the end result in order to know if the directions were indeed good. or to have proof of validity.
Here again God/the bible is not a philosophical question, but a set of instructions to a personal one on one relationship. How could Christianity sell a one on one relationship with God himself for 2000 years, and not one of the followers ever get to that point?
Quote:if, as the bible claims, god created humans and is omnipotent, he is fully responsible for all crimes committed by them... also allegedly against him. not to mention the divine plan, which means god meant all of those atrocities to happen in the first place.So?
I guess that would mean (If I follow your reasoning to it's logical conclusion) that God must then offer some sort of atoning sacrifice for all the sins of the world... Hmmm. I think I might have come across something like that in the bible somewhere or another...
(June 2, 2015 at 4:48 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:(June 2, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Drich Wrote: You are aware that a THEROY is not PROOF, right?
you are aware that theory as a scientific term does not mean 'a guess', but 'a coherent group of propositions formulated to explain a group of facts or phenomena in the natural world and repeatedly confirmed through experiment or observation', right?