Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play

[Rhondazvous]

Nuuupe. It's an interesting idea-putting the burden of proof on god himself-but within the constraints of logic, the person making the positive claim is the one with the burden of proof. It's just how it works.

Do you remember the first time you used a GPS or a turn by turn service? Where was the 'proof' in that your garmin or tomtom worked? was it in the person making the claim, or was it in the following of said device to your first destination? "Proof" can work both ways but as you can plainly see is not limited to the person making the positive claim. Proof can also be found in the successful execution of said claim.

I've never driven a car before, but I can't imagine anyone following the directions of a GPS they can neither see nor hear. Maybe you'd do well to try a different analogy.

OTOH we have theits saying that you need to seek god to find evidence for him-as he 'reveals he truth' to you-and when you mention you have sought it, you are just told you didn't seek hard enough.

If God says the only way to find me is for the seeker to "A,B,C" do you think God can be found any other way? Until you follow your first turn by turn navigation trip, you only have the word of others that the turn by turn navigation works. The same is true with God. Until you do what He says do, the only confirmation you will get of God is through those who have "used the GPS" in the bible and found Him.

You are trying to put philosophical constraints on a principle that they do not fit on. There are many things in this world that we must experience for ourselves before we have 'proof' they exist.

Did god say that's the only way he can be found or did you say that. The biblical god came to a lot of people who weren't looking for him. You are signing god's name onto your own agenda and that, my friend, is spiritual forgery.

The word 'morality' has little to no meaning at all. It tries to describe a bunch of vague ideas, but on its own has no substance. I would argue that moral codes within societies are not so much 'designed' and rather that they evolve on their own over time....

I do not disagree. Matter of fact that's kinda what I said minus the fact that many of you will point out that God had babies killed, and glance over the fact that we 'man' since 1980 have killed a billion plus.. Let say God had 10,000 or even 100,000 babies killed, or lets say a million babies were put to death by God... That doesn't even touch the 17 million killed this year by 'civilized' man.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/

Yet because the Jews sang a song about smashing their captors babies against the rocks... God is a monster. Yep no hypocrisy their.

How can god be the standard of morality if you excuse his bad behavior by pointing to what men do? I was warned not to argue morality with you, but I like drawing you out. Please continue.

This 'science is same as faith' thing is so tired and bullshit....

Not what I was saying sport. I was saying 'Science' is your god.

I want you to look at the word atheist. The first syllable A means none, not, no, sin, without, etc. The second syllable theist means god. To say that science is our god is to redefine the word god in a way to which I am not privy.

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good, good. now replace 'god' with 'evolution'

You are aware that a THEROY is not PROOF, right?

Who said the theory is proof?  The theory points to things which do stand as proof.  Your claims have yet to point to anything outside themselves.