(June 3, 2015 at 1:54 pm)PhilliptheTeenageAtheist Wrote:Not so fast Scarecrow.. This is not what is being discussed.(June 3, 2015 at 11:11 am)Drich Wrote: So? does Justified 'belief' then become truth? Or is truth a standard that stays the same despite what is believed? If in this case God offers 'proof' if one follows a prescribed path, yet people feel justified in what they believe even if they never sought the truth God offers, does what the feel justified then become true?Truth stays the same no matter who believes it. However, justified doubt is completely possible even when something is true. For example, if someone in the fourth century BC, long before the invention of the microscope, went around claiming he had a vision about cells, though he had no proof other than his vision which no one else saw, other people would be justified in their disbelief of him, because even though cells exist, there was no proof for them and others could doubt reasonably.
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in god, but even if one did exist, I'm quite confident it wouldn't torture me forever in hell for justifiably doubting its existence.
You said what if you were a leparchaun who had access to magic fairy land or something. I said the same measure of proof we can use to determine if God is real can inturn be used to see if you are telling the truth. In that all you need to do is show me. Then I made the observation that anyone who did not want to believe what you had to say, even if it were true could just just objectify it because what you shown me was not tangable to them. So then it becomes a matter of 'them' meeting you and getting to show them. Then I pointed out, what if they were A-holes and hated you and everyone you liked, would you still want to share anything with them?