RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play
June 4, 2015 at 10:14 am
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2015 at 10:30 am by Drich.)
(June 3, 2015 at 4:59 pm)PhilliptheTeenageAtheist Wrote: If you believe in a literal hell (not sure if you do or not), and that god does not call everyone, you are admitting that god sends some people to hell even when it is not their fault.
What makes you think anyone in Hell does not deserve to be there? A call from God does not mean one automatically gets to Heaven. Just like a call back on a job interview means you get the job or will even keep the job. Whether you get the job or not has to do with whether or not your qualified, not if you are liked. Is it the employer's fault not all who apply are qualified? Is it the employer's fault that not all who are call back will want the job, or rather keep the job?
The same is true here with God. Not all are call because one not all want to go. There are many here on this website who will admit to that. Second not all who are called will heed the call. Those who do really want to be there for all the right reasons. There is not one example of anyone who wanted to be with god for the right reasons who was ever turned away.
Look at who Jesus called and they turned away: The rich young ruler, The pharrisees, The saducees, The Scribes, and lets not forget Judas. All were called some never considered Christ's offer, Some did, but realized they had too much to give up, so they turned and walked away. In the case of Judas he heard the call followed Christ for a while then turned on Him.
So again to be called does not mean will follow that calling. I would suggest if you ever Heard the gospel in your life time, you have heard that call.
(June 4, 2015 at 12:21 am)Jenny A Wrote: Precisely. And both whether the GPS exists and whether it works are easily tested. It does, and it mostly does. The item exists, it offers clear instructions and they work for everyone almost all of the time.Precisely! And both whether the Bible Exists and whether it works is easily tested! And it Does work. The Book exists, it offers clear instruction, and it works everytime per the promise of God!!
Wow I guess we are on the same page.
Quote:God offers an incoherent book.
Incoherent to whom?
Quote:The directions that begin with turn off your rational mind and really really want.
Want has nothing to do with anything. You must be trying to describe whatever failed version of pop Christianity you are familiar with.
Quote:And even so the directions don't work for everyone except those who really really want them to and are willing to ignore much failure.The only thing that fails is your understanding of God. Is it your belief that just because your beliefs failed it really means their can't be a God outside what your mind can phathom?
GPS hypothesis pass, god hypothesis fail.