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Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play
(June 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm)Drich Wrote:
(June 5, 2015 at 12:17 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: There's a difference between blind faith and 'faith' that's built upon actual experience and probability.  
What makes you think blind faith is required?

Because that's what religion is predicated on? You can't actually interact with your deity, you know, so you necessarily have to buy into the idea wholesale. Moreover, religion teaches that only absolute belief is acceptable, to the point of considering Jesus your lord and messiah. All of this based on stories from ~2000+ years ago.

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Quote:People usually, you know, take the time to know each other first before getting married Not all the time, to be sure, and perhaps they're not honest during the courtship phase, or maybe there are warning signs, but one person in the couple thinks they can 'fix' the other, but generally, there's a fair amount of time spent in the presence of the other person.  Enough time so each person in the couple can learn to predict what future choices might result in based on past interactions.  It's not 100% fool proof.  People are always unpredictable to a certain extent, but it's built on pattern recognition and the probability of a resultant behavior based on each pattern.
lol.. not married yet huh?
Well, after the first decade or so one starts to notice changes in themselves and in who they married. The long and short of it is you are not the same person that you were when you were dating. neither of you are.
Like wise your Understanding of God matures quite a bit after a 'few' years of getting to know Him and how He works. you will look back at your initial sunday school understanding and wonder why God did not strike you down for the sheer stupidity of your understanding and efforts. To know God, to have a relationship with Him is not the one way street you are describing. It works like any other relationship you might have.. Minus the manipulation that you seem to have in your relationships.

Oh, really? You have long talks with god? What's his favorite color? Who is he rooting for in the Stanley Cup Finals? What does he think of current Medicare rules? Who does the dishes?

Relationships actually require a second party to interact with rather than one's imagination. The idea that anyone can have a deep, personal relationship with an entity that, again, has no evidence pointing to its existence is asinine at best. Real relationships require communication, action, and compromise. Tell me, has god ever compromised for you?

Regarding the manipulation crack, everyone engages in manipulation in their interpersonal relationships. It's not a bad thing in and of itself. It's evident in how we decide to do or phrase things to others in order to get the most positive reaction possible. Do I tell my girlfriend she's fat, or do I try to subtly push her in a healthy direction? Do I outright disobey my boss, or do I try to suggest a better alternative? Everyone does it every day.

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Quote:It's not at all like the faith you're describing.  It's not blind acceptance and hope.  It's a faith built on actual interactions with a separate being that actually exists.

you don't seem to understand the basics I am describing... Maybe you should go back and actually read what I have written rather than try and shot gun a general anti theistic response.

I understand just fine. I'm not the one making a piss poor analogy that falls apart with a minimum amount of scrutiny.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
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Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Rhondazvous - June 2, 2015 at 6:45 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by ignoramus - June 2, 2015 at 6:50 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 2, 2015 at 7:02 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 2, 2015 at 9:43 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 2, 2015 at 8:16 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by dyresand - June 2, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by dyresand - June 2, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Longhorn - June 2, 2015 at 9:04 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Jenny A - June 2, 2015 at 9:46 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by vorlon13 - June 2, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by AFTT47 - June 2, 2015 at 10:18 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 2, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by vorlon13 - June 2, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by emjay - June 2, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 2, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 2, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Longhorn - June 2, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 2, 2015 at 4:29 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Longhorn - June 2, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 2, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Longhorn - June 3, 2015 at 1:08 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 3, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Longhorn - June 2, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Jenny A - June 3, 2015 at 1:31 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 3, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Jenny A - June 4, 2015 at 12:21 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 4, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 3, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 4, 2015 at 7:54 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 4, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Esquilax - June 4, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 4, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 4, 2015 at 3:43 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by LastPoet - June 2, 2015 at 1:50 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KevinM1 - June 2, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 2, 2015 at 4:11 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Longhorn - June 2, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 2, 2015 at 4:37 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 2, 2015 at 5:03 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 3, 2015 at 7:02 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 3, 2015 at 1:11 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Dystopia - June 2, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Jenny A - June 2, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 3, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 2, 2015 at 4:38 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 2, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 2, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 2, 2015 at 4:53 pm
Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KUSA - June 2, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 3, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 3, 2015 at 4:22 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by vorlon13 - June 2, 2015 at 11:41 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 3, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by vorlon13 - June 3, 2015 at 1:08 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 4, 2015 at 10:14 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Esquilax - June 4, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 4, 2015 at 3:37 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by ignoramus - June 4, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 4, 2015 at 3:57 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 4, 2015 at 8:01 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 4, 2015 at 10:36 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 4, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 4, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 4, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 4, 2015 at 7:27 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 5, 2015 at 9:10 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KevinM1 - June 5, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 5, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KevinM1 - June 5, 2015 at 6:13 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KevinM1 - June 4, 2015 at 8:40 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 5, 2015 at 7:11 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 5, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KevinM1 - June 5, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KevinM1 - June 5, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KevinM1 - June 5, 2015 at 12:56 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 5, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 7, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KevinM1 - June 7, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 7, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 5, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 7, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Drich - June 7, 2015 at 11:22 am
Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KUSA - June 5, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 6, 2015 at 6:16 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 7, 2015 at 9:00 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Crossless1 - June 7, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Rhondazvous - June 14, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by KevinM1 - June 14, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Rhondazvous - June 14, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by robvalue - June 14, 2015 at 1:28 pm
RE: Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play - by Nope - June 16, 2015 at 6:55 am

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