(September 27, 2010 at 1:41 pm)theVOID Wrote: 2. The fact that the distinctions are made is what is responsible for evangelist opinions of atheists not being the dominant idea amongst moderate Christians. If there were no atheists contending the claim that we are all just angry at God there would be even more Christians who believed this.
That's exactly what I was saying, the evangelist position should be contended, vigourously.
(September 27, 2010 at 1:41 pm)theVOID Wrote: 3. There is nothing "evolved" about Atheism, it's simply a position that requires a higher standard of evidence (I.e no revelation, personal incredulity, personal experience, testimony etc) To call atheists more "evolved" is not only false, it's completely arrogant.
I really disagree; for the same reasons i'd criticise a christian, and the same reasons i'd applaude an athiest. Athiests have taken the step in that they no longer bow down unthinkingly to praise an imaginary god and that they don't render themselves as slave by following the insane doctrine that other christians follow.
If atheism isn't evolution or to use a better word if it isn't progress away from damaging social sterility and servitude then what is?
You should give yourself more credit VOID. It is evolution in action that we're not only questioning religion but that we're able to make alternatives that are indeed practical and productive

(September 27, 2010 at 1:41 pm)theVOID Wrote: 4. Jehovas witnesses are examples of extremists on the other side, and as was made clear earlier, we don't give a fuck about them. We do however care about the normal every day theists we encounter because they are the ones who actually matter in every day life - Them having a misinformed opinion of our position could affect even the mundane interactions, this is something that should be avoided. Moderate theists and atheists have the potential to be more closely aligned on the vast majority of issues, especially socially and ethically, than moderates and extremists of any group, as such having a good understanding of each other is far more important that allowing extremists to taint not just what they think we believe, but what we think they believe.
Maybe we need to define extremism here lol i'm not talking about blowing up churches, i'm talking about social activism. That is, if you want to get your message across to people and make a positive impact on peoples lives, and the only way to do that is by doing something.
Otherwise all you suggest to try and change peoples minds about atheism and steer them away from religion is passivity, and that's never achieved anything. I don't mean to lecture you, but seriously if you think laying down and basking in moderation will do anything to change the torrent of anti-atheist propaganda that religion throws at people about you, then you need to examine such wonderful effective peaceful protests such as the Iraq War demonstration.. the anti nuclear weapons demonstration.. the free palestine demonstrations or any thousands of ineffective passive protests that liberal moderates flaunt about engaging in.
Perhaps a better word for evolution is revolution; that's my opinion on this subject anyway.
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