(June 11, 2015 at 10:08 am)Dystopia Wrote: You may not understand this because you're american and you live in a country founded and ruled by liberals since the beginning but most of Europe has gone trough dictatorships whether it's absolutism, fascism or socialism/communism and excluding Hitler who was extremely evil most figures are admired and hated simultaneously but few people actually say "this person is not important anymore because I don't like him".
If dictatorships trouble you so much why are you posting here? atheistforums.org is ran with a dictatorship model - Moderators pick the administrators and moderators pick other moderators. You don't vote for anything and you will be banned if you don't agree with the rules decided without your consent. Quite frankly, it works perfectly.
God is not only a supreme ruler but an absolute one - the power god supposedly has is impossible for any human to achieve. Comparing him with people we know existed is ridiculous. Worse - Evaluating any historical figure with a western liberal concept of morality is ridiculous because everything will be considered wrong.
As for humans being property? Really? You call yourself a liberal, meaning you support a market system where scientifically workers are considered tools to be traded and bought. The biggest oppressive system is living with us right now, and it's not Stalin, Hitler or Napoleon. It's the market.
Is there some law that mandates no liberal value the private sector? I always like to ask my fellow liberals how they would go about ridding the world of the private sector on a planet of 7 billion? And you make stupid statements on a website that relies on the private sector to provide them server space and are doing so as well I am sure on a computer manufactured by the private sector.
Let me clue you in, YOU WILL NOT rid the planet of the private sector. Only a moron thinks that utopia can happen. People who either support Che who lead to Cuba, and the opposite, morons who think Ayn Rand's "fuck you I got mine" , do not understand that "capitalism" is not a form of government. There is not one government in the world, friend or foe, that does not invest in the global market.
The Saudi Royal Family owns oil companies and has stock in banks and weapons. Gadaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in GE. China capitalizes off off the sale of cheap goods and sweat shop labor and also allows private businesses to exist.
You are not going to solve the abuse of the 1% of workers with your attitude. Shifting power from one segment of a society only means you have shifted that monopoly. Yes business can be abusive, but so can religion and a political party, but all of them require income to grow and or gain power.
