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France objects to "Waterloo" coin?
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RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin?
Quote:Is there some law that mandates no liberal value the private sector? I always like to ask my fellow liberals how they would go about ridding the world of the private sector on a planet of 7 billion? And you make stupid statements on a website that relies on the private sector to provide them server space and are doing so as well I am sure on a computer manufactured by the private sector.
Tu quoque and strawman - Nowhere did I argue private property itself should be outright abolished. Is there a law? No, but being a liberal is actually incompatible with abolishing private sector. The problem with liberals like you is that you fail to see no one has a choice other than to buy and use the private sector. The fact I think it's poorly used is irrelevant - Yes I am using a PC from the private sector and posting on a forum ran by the private sector, but (1) There's no reason to think other sectors can't provide services with competence (2) Abolishing private property does not stop the freedom people have to associate.
Quote:Let me clue you in, YOU WILL NOT rid the planet of the private sector. Only a moron thinks that utopia can happen. People who either support Che who lead to Cuba, and the opposite, morons who think Ayn Rand's "fuck you I got mine" , do not understand that "capitalism" is not a form of government. There is not one government in the world, friend or foe, that does not invest in the global market.
LOOOL... THe problem of people like you is that you don't understand that without private property you would continue to own your stuff because it would be  replaced by personal property - A less absolute right. The problem with private property is that it is absolute and inheritable, so if you have 1% of the world's population owning 99% of the world's resources and property, there is NOTHING You can do to stop it if you support private property. You want to help the poor (I read your posts) And think too much wealth in few people is bad, but you forget that supporting the system that upholds it means you will never ever fulfil your life goals, not without finding more appropriate measures.
Quote:The Saudi Royal Family owns oil companies and has stock in banks and weapons. Gadaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in GE. China capitalizes off off the sale of cheap goods and sweat shop labor and also allows private businesses to exist.

You are not going to solve the abuse of the 1% of workers with your attitude. Shifting power from one segment of a society only means you have shifted that monopoly. Yes business can be abusive, but so can religion and a political party, but all of them require income to grow and or gain power.
I don't understand the relevance of this. China does what needs to be done in a capitalist world, but the purpose of overthrowing capitalism is to do it worldwide otherwise it will find a seed to grow. It is a massive contradiction to support the free market and want the poor to get better. I'm not a fan of middle grounds or neutrality. Thinking redistributing wealth will solve the issue is a massive problem with social democrats and liberals because they are treating symptoms not the cause.

I use the private sector and our capitalist society because it's the only one I have, my survival depends on it, but there's nothing telling me that with the workers controlling the means of production collectively we would magically become unable to produce good products, services and goods. My smartphone was produced by the private sector, but more importantly than that shareholders are making billions while scientists who have brilliant ideas for technology are paid much less compared to the formers. I use the system because I need to survive, and even something like entertainment is a basic necessity nowadays. If you think abolishing private property would mean not owning anything, think again. Private property is a new concept because before capitalism we did live with different ideas of property and feudalism. I don't see how saying "instead of allowing 1% of the world to own most of the wealth/economy we should search for a better system to maximize our potential" is an utopia. An utopia is something impossible to achieve, and it is much closer to libertarianism than socialism.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 10, 2015 at 8:38 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Pyrrho - June 10, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 10, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Crossless1 - June 10, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 10, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Jenny A - June 10, 2015 at 12:22 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Crossless1 - June 10, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Jenny A - June 10, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Ravenshire - June 11, 2015 at 12:32 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by LastPoet - June 10, 2015 at 1:03 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Tonus - June 10, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Crossless1 - June 10, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by vorlon13 - June 10, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 10, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2015 at 6:08 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 6:39 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 1:45 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 11, 2015 at 4:45 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 11, 2015 at 5:40 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 9:52 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Alex K - June 11, 2015 at 5:01 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Alex K - June 11, 2015 at 5:08 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 11, 2015 at 5:44 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Alex K - June 11, 2015 at 5:15 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by robvalue - June 11, 2015 at 5:40 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 11, 2015 at 10:08 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 10:18 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 10:43 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 11, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 11, 2015 at 10:27 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 11, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 11, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 11:27 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 11, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Anomalocaris - June 11, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 11, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 14, 2015 at 3:06 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 14, 2015 at 7:10 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 14, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 14, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 14, 2015 at 8:38 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 15, 2015 at 4:36 am

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