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France objects to "Waterloo" coin?
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RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin?
(June 11, 2015 at 11:27 am)Brian37 Wrote: Wow, your apology for a dictator is on par with the crap theology.

What do you want me to say to this bullshit? No I will NEVER value a dictator. I don't give one fuck how "kind" you try to paint that position. It still amounts to those under that position not having the ability to remove that person. Seriously go fuck yourself if you think that is moral.

And claiming a dictator is elected still does not mean shit. Mob rule by vote does not constitute morality. Our secular government concepts in the west do not give absolute power to one person, voting by itself does not equate to morality, it is simply one part of governing . Iran has elections too, but unless you are a Shiite favored by that government, it is  damned near impossible if not deadly to live openly expressing anything else besides the social norms.

I never said I supported a dictatorship - Churchill's opinion seems compatible with mine. If it is so serious to you, then I'm guessing you would hate ABBA if one of its members supported dictatorships? Are you incapable of evaluating historical figures without a western, modern, intellectual concept of morality? Do you not know that, if we use your definitions, all great historical figures pre-liberalism are dictators?

This isn't kindness, I'm merely correcting you. Fascism is one doctrine of dictatorship and there's others. You can't label any dictatorship as fascism because that's incorrect. We live in an oligarchy. Stop pretending you are free. You despise dictators but are ruled by oligarchs - If you ask me, there isn't a big difference, except that there's an illusion of freedom provided to the people. Our system does not give absolute power to anyone on paper, but in practise I don't need to name lobbies with higher power (namely oligarchs). I am incapable and prohibited from overthrowing those in power if I'm not satisfied with them - It is illegal and a revolution can get me arrested. How is that freedom? Yeah, freedom as long as you accept you can only vote for those who show up. The market is equally immovable and oligarchs are untouchable. It's way worse than a single dictator.


EDIT - "Capitalism downfall" and marxist sympathies along with anti-religion stance seems clear to me - You can't be anti-capitalist without being anti-private property because one depends on the other - Without private property there is no market, not at least like the one we have now. The fact he made money and was wealthy is not relevant. That's a tu quoque. Karl Marx was burgueoise and lived well. He wasn't what he described as working class. That's irrelevant to being wrong or right. If I suddenly became rich I wouldn't change my mind. That's basically promoting a mentality of individualism where people only care about what benefits them and shit on the rest of society.


Brian, you seem to believe buying products from the private sector means you can't be marxist. You realize all marxists in modern society must use the private sector to survive right? Why don't you go fuck yourself and your bullshit tu quoques? Using your definition, no one can be a "true" marxist. Hitchens loved the whisky because it's a good product, regardless of it being made by the private sector - More than that, it's made by people and invented by someone talented, the private sector just happens to be used to sell the product and that's the lesser concern here. People invent something and the private sector takes hold of it. That's how it works in liberalism. It doesn't mean you can't be anti-private sector and still use it - You can, because it's a sector you must use for survival.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 10, 2015 at 8:38 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Pyrrho - June 10, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 10, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Crossless1 - June 10, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 10, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Jenny A - June 10, 2015 at 12:22 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Crossless1 - June 10, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Jenny A - June 10, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Ravenshire - June 11, 2015 at 12:32 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by LastPoet - June 10, 2015 at 1:03 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Tonus - June 10, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Crossless1 - June 10, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by vorlon13 - June 10, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 10, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2015 at 6:08 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 6:39 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 1:45 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 11, 2015 at 4:45 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 11, 2015 at 5:40 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 9:52 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 10, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 10, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Alex K - June 11, 2015 at 5:01 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Alex K - June 11, 2015 at 5:08 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 11, 2015 at 5:44 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Alex K - June 11, 2015 at 5:15 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by robvalue - June 11, 2015 at 5:40 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 11, 2015 at 10:08 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 10:18 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 10:43 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 11, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 11, 2015 at 10:27 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 11, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 11, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 11:27 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Dystopia - June 11, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Anomalocaris - June 11, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 11, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 14, 2015 at 3:06 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Brian37 - June 11, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 14, 2015 at 7:10 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 14, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 14, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by Minimalist - June 14, 2015 at 8:38 pm
RE: France objects to "Waterloo" coin? - by abaris - June 15, 2015 at 4:36 am

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