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Free will/evil/punishment
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RE: Free will/evil/punishment
(June 15, 2015 at 12:35 am)Aroura Wrote:
(June 14, 2015 at 9:25 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I think you've hit the nail on the head, at least for me.  It seems to me that if one's fate (by which I assume you mean determined outcome of a deterministic universe) has brought one into contact with the belief that free will is an illusion, then that person's behavior should be expected to change, if the idea is strongly believed.

However, I do not know of anyone who doesn't act as though they have free will.
And yet, you realize you have constrained will, yet you still act every day as if you have unconstrained free-will, because that is how humans are biologically wired to behave.

I can realize that it is just some hormones in my brain that are causing me to be depressed.  An amputee may realize it is that their hand is gone and it can't feel pain anymore yet still suffer phantom pain syndrome.  In both cases just realizing the truth changes nothing about how our biology reacts.

However, in all the cases above, we can stop and think make long term changes to our behavior through other behavioral modifiers, like bio-feedback therapy.  The act of REALIZATION itself does not change much, but it opens the door to make changes in other ways. 
Does that make sense?

I certainly see many constraints.  For example, I'm overweight (not much, but enough to care), and yet the ongoing collage of desires and impulses lead me to rest rather than exercise more, or to eat foods that are counter to the goals I have.

Yes, I accept that a belief isn't necessarily able to overcome impulses, habits or automatic behaviors.  But when it comes to overt expressions of hatred toward others, who in theory are believed not really to have free will, that's different.  It amounts to "Fuck you for doing what you inevitably were going to do!" and sounds very strange to me.
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Free will/evil/punishment - by ILuvGorillas - June 14, 2015 at 12:20 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 12:29 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Exian - June 14, 2015 at 12:37 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 1:37 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Thumpalumpacus - June 14, 2015 at 8:27 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 9:25 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Aroura - June 15, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 15, 2015 at 12:52 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Aroura - June 15, 2015 at 1:05 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by JuliaL - June 14, 2015 at 12:44 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Aroura - June 14, 2015 at 12:50 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 1:39 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by abaris - June 15, 2015 at 9:32 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by robvalue - June 14, 2015 at 2:40 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 4:32 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by robvalue - June 14, 2015 at 4:37 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 8:10 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by robvalue - June 14, 2015 at 8:27 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by henryp - June 14, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Aroura - June 14, 2015 at 8:21 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 9:19 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Aroura - June 14, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Aroura - June 14, 2015 at 11:23 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 11:59 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Aroura - June 15, 2015 at 12:23 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Thumpalumpacus - June 14, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Aroura - June 14, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Mudhammam - June 14, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 9:22 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Mudhammam - June 14, 2015 at 10:00 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 14, 2015 at 11:10 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Mudhammam - June 15, 2015 at 8:20 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 15, 2015 at 9:35 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Mudhammam - June 15, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 15, 2015 at 4:11 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Thumpalumpacus - June 15, 2015 at 12:19 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Aroura - June 14, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Aroura - June 15, 2015 at 12:49 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by robvalue - June 15, 2015 at 5:00 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by henryp - June 15, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2015 at 7:44 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by robvalue - June 15, 2015 at 9:00 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Mudhammam - June 15, 2015 at 12:54 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by robvalue - June 15, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by henryp - June 15, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Mudhammam - June 15, 2015 at 3:36 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Mudhammam - June 19, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 15, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by henryp - June 16, 2015 at 12:20 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 16, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by henryp - June 16, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2015 at 10:38 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 16, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 16, 2015 at 6:19 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 16, 2015 at 7:02 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 16, 2015 at 7:39 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Mudhammam - June 19, 2015 at 6:16 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2015 at 6:39 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2015 at 7:00 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Mudhammam - June 19, 2015 at 9:36 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by bennyboy - June 19, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by Mudhammam - June 19, 2015 at 9:46 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by henryp - June 21, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2015 at 10:20 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by popsthebuilder - June 21, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by The Grand Nudger - June 21, 2015 at 6:04 pm
RE: Free will/evil/punishment - by popsthebuilder - June 21, 2015 at 6:15 pm

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