(June 13, 2015 at 7:49 am)TheMessiah Wrote:And? Simply comparing Alcaida with ISIS is stupid. Those terrorist groups are not the same. Some groups hate others and consider them apostates. I never said religion does not motivate terrorism and violence - It does and it's quite obvious - But it's not the only variable in play, nothing is determined by a single variable, no exceptions... You can't play the "hate the belief, not the believer" - It's like telling me you hate my country but not its citizens, it just doesn't work that way.(June 13, 2015 at 6:50 am)abaris Wrote: Europol and FBI statistics sing a different tune. 4 (Europe) and 6 (USA) percent of all terrorist attacks are motivated in any way, shape or form by religion. That's not even exclusively Isam, but all religious motives, Brejvik included. I posted links to the reports in different threads and they are in the public domain. Easy to check.
But of course, they only deal in facts and realities instead of bigoted assumptions and blanket statements about a group.
So yes, if it wasn't fucking disgusting, it would be something to laugh about.
Saying terrorism, especially from the likes of ISIS or Al-Queada is not motivated by religion is willful ignorance. It is wishful thinking to think Islamic terrorism is not motivated by religion; especially considering they justify their violence with verses of the Qu'ran and attempt to enforce their Sharia on other people. Most ISIS recruits from the West were university educated.
Hell, the most infamous Islamic terrorist was a millionaire; major terrorist groups have sourcing from the elite Muslims. Saudi Arabia has been long-known for funding terrorism. So has Pakistan.
You, like many others who love to use the term ''Islamophobe'' struggle to separate criticism of the Islamic doctrine from bigotry towards Muslims as people. I don't hate Muslims, but I do hate their ''holy'' book.
So the evidence that ''poverty drives terrorism'' despite the fact that the bulk of terrorist groups are made up of middle to upper class privileged Muslims in addition to the funding they get from rich Muslims really destroys this laughable meme of ''poverty drives terrorism''.
Poverty doesn't drive terrorism, Islam drives terrorism. The ideology and belief-set in Islam is a key drive; the promise of Matyrdom in Islam is especially dangerous. There are Muslims, privileged ones who truly believe that killing people for their ''holy'' book will lead them to an eternal paradise; you may laugh at the idea, but people truly believe this nonsense --- and it's why Islam is especially more dangerous than other Abrahamic faiths.
You can't say that objectively Islam drives terrorism otherwise all Muslims would be terrorists in the same group. The mere fact there are so many terrorist groups with specific goals and member composition shows us there is no consensus among Muslims. Holy books are just books, unless someone is pointing a gun at your head and telling you "Go kill for Allah right now!" there's no way it will force you to do terrible things. You can pick up the Quran and see it in a 1000 different ways. There's no law saying one interpretation is more valid than the other, there are no objectively correct scholars. It's not scripture that determines your behaviour, but the believer that uses scripture as he pleases. Charlie Hebdo attackers had girlfriends and smoke weed so they didn't follow the entire Quran, they cherry picked - No one follows the QUran 100% literally, there's always exceptions, loopholes and mistakes.
Criticising religion is not Islamophobia, but thinking Muslim immigrants are a threat to national security and should be kept in conditions you could not keep serial killers is bigotry and honestly quite conspirational.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you