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Is the ''Only a minority of Muslims are radical'' true?
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RE: Is the ''Only a minority of Muslims are radical'' true?
(June 16, 2015 at 7:01 am)Dystopia Wrote:
(June 13, 2015 at 7:49 am)TheMessiah Wrote: Saying terrorism, especially from the likes of ISIS or Al-Queada is not motivated by religion is willful ignorance. It is wishful thinking to think Islamic terrorism is not motivated by religion; especially considering they justify their violence with verses of the Qu'ran and attempt to enforce their Sharia on other people. Most ISIS recruits from the West were university educated.

Hell, the most infamous Islamic terrorist was a millionaire; major terrorist groups have sourcing from the elite Muslims. Saudi Arabia has been long-known for funding terrorism. So has Pakistan.

You, like many others who love to use the term ''Islamophobe'' struggle to separate criticism of the Islamic doctrine from bigotry towards Muslims as people. I don't hate Muslims, but I do hate their ''holy'' book.

So the evidence that ''poverty drives terrorism'' despite the fact that the bulk of terrorist groups are made up of middle to upper class privileged Muslims in addition to the funding they get from rich Muslims really destroys this laughable meme of ''poverty drives terrorism''.

Poverty doesn't drive terrorism, Islam drives terrorism. The ideology and belief-set in Islam is a key drive; the promise of Matyrdom in Islam is especially dangerous. There are Muslims, privileged ones who truly believe that killing people for their ''holy'' book will lead them to an eternal paradise; you may laugh at the idea, but people truly believe this nonsense --- and it's why Islam is especially more dangerous than other Abrahamic faiths.
And? Simply comparing Alcaida with ISIS is stupid. Those terrorist groups are not the same. Some groups hate others and consider them apostates. I never said religion does not motivate terrorism and violence - It does and it's quite obvious - But it's not the only variable in play, nothing is determined by a single variable, no exceptions... You can't play the "hate the belief, not the believer" - It's like telling me you hate my country but not its citizens, it just doesn't work that way.

You can't say that objectively Islam drives terrorism otherwise all Muslims would be terrorists in the same group. The mere fact there are so many terrorist groups with specific goals and member composition shows us there is no consensus among Muslims. Holy books are just books, unless someone is pointing a gun at your head and telling you "Go kill for Allah right now!" there's no way it will force you to do terrible things. You can pick up the Quran and see it in a 1000 different ways. There's no law saying one interpretation is more valid than the other, there are no objectively correct scholars. It's not scripture that determines your behaviour, but the believer that uses scripture as he pleases. Charlie Hebdo attackers had girlfriends and smoke weed so they didn't follow the entire Quran, they cherry picked - No one follows the QUran 100% literally, there's always exceptions, loopholes and mistakes.

Criticising religion is not Islamophobia, but thinking Muslim immigrants are a threat to national security and should be kept in conditions you could not keep serial killers is bigotry and honestly quite conspirational.

Did I say Muslim immigrants should be kept in conditions as serial killers? No. I think however, that militant Muslims should be; they can be homegrown or immigrant, either way, it doesn't matter.

I can play the *hate the belief, not all believers* because most Muslims don't act out on terrorist acts; I don't hate Southern Christians who despise gay people, but I would hate them if they were violent. Obviously there are many variables, however the poverty one has been consistently debunked as drivel, ideology plays a much bigger role, hence why so many Muslim terrorists are well-educated and middle-class. 

The terrorist version of Islam, is the most valid one if we follow the text literally; obviously I think more Muslims shouldn't interpret in that way, but Islam, along with the other Abrhamic texts are barbaric - what ISIS are doing now is no different to what Muhammad did during his conquests and spread of Islam.
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RE: Is the ''Only a minority of Muslims are radical'' true? - by TheMessiah - June 16, 2015 at 7:55 am

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