The Trinity Explained

[tackattack]

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To use your analogy of the conjoined twins, yes we can seperate them surgically and indeed have truly seperate entitis, butin realit don't conjoined twins share the same dna and fingerprints?

1. All identical twins share the same DNA.
2. No, conjoined twins don't share the same fingerprints.

http://multiples.about.com/cs/funfacts/a...rprint.htm

I don't understand your analogy here. Conjoined twins are still regarded as two separate entities.

Can one be in Oklahoma and another go to Virginia? By design they move as one.

And...the ability to move away from one another is evidence of what?

By design tehy're made of one substance.

1. It is by a defect in the pregnancy that they share a similar structure.
2. All identical twins are made of one "substance".

Can you not see a conjoined twin walk down the street and accuratly say he's walking down the street or they are walking down the street. Wouldn't both be accurate.

No, because a twin implies two people - that's kind of the point. It's not a person with two heads, it's two people sharing one body. Completely different concept. Not only that, you can demonstrate that the entities that encompass this body are indeed different from one another, both physically and reasonably.

One the singular object in it's entirey or multiple each individual personality? By action their purposes and wills are different therefore they can interact with us in different ways.

..and here you are again referring to "them" as separate entities. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to say they're part of a collective, so be it, but don't then go and say they're the same thing. I can say Superman and Wonderwoman are part of the Superfriends, but it would be foolish of me to say that they're not separate entities, and the fact that they're connected with a common goal somehow means that Superman is indeed Wonderwoman.

Jesus took human form. The Spirit resides within us. God resides in Heaven.

So people pray to all three. Please tell me how this isn't worshiping 3 gods - all with their own will and mind?

To answer your question he sacrificed himself for us by going through the trials and tribulations in human form. There is no sacrificing to. It would be like saying " I sacrificed some of my time to help the homeless" Who are you sacrificing to? No one really, just another way of saying giving something up to get something done.

When I give my time to the homeless, the time is not a sacrifice. It is not a noun, as it is intangible. It isn't an offering to a deity, it's a representation of efforts made to help people in a reasonable way. Jesus, like other blood sacrifices, was the sacrifice.

Keeping the blood clean for sacrifice to his father:

John 20:17
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father - but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

Comparing it to animal sacrifice:

Hebrews 9:12
"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."


Referring to God and Jesus separately, and the blood sacrifice to God - Christ.

Hebrews 9:24-26
"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now ONCE in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

Christ buying our sins back from God with his blood sacrifice, also referring to the Holy Ghost as a separate entity from God and Christ.

Acts 20:28
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood"

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@tav-
2-In regards to my analogy; I perhaps used the incorrect word and I apologize. I was talking about conjoined twins

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while they most assuredly share a physical connection, which you are simply dismissing and treating them like this

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and you are grossly over analyzing the analogy, in this analogy and can be considered one entity. Perhaps the twins aren't phenomenologically identical, but genetically they are one. Phenotypes requires physical interaction with a physical environment and God is metaphysical in nature. I was simply trying to explain how they are one substance, like the conjoined twins are one continuous connected human form. They also have knowledge of each other intimately. They also share similar qualities, like a conjoined twins genetics, but have differences like the phenotype of a conjoined twin. I hope you can get the analogy now that we've over analyzed it to death.
2-As far as people worshiping all three. Jesus points people to worship God

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John 17:1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.

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and the Holy spirit points us towards God

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Romans 8:27 (New International Version)
27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

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So I don't know why anyone is "worshiping" anyone but God. They might be speaking of or to someone other than God out of habit or teaching, but the worship is only the singular God.

3-As far as time not being a noun and therefore not qualifying as being able to be sacrificed, get real??!? Do I really need to pull out a dictionary here. It most assuredly is a noun and a common enough colloquialism to say you're "sacrificing you time" for your art or whatever purpose you have. You're right sacrificing time isn't an offering to a deity but it is a sacrifice. There fore you can hopefully see where the analogy I'm using is appropriate to my points listed as to why Jesus isn't sacrificing any part of him to another part of the Godhead, but he is doing a great sacrifice.



@min- I'd link the site but you're trying to liberalize my analogy and then prove it untrue because it's not scriptural based. As some of the verses quoted (And there are plenty of better one, but not what you're looking for I'm afraid) by tav shows above they're 3 separate entities worshiped as one God.