RE: 'God' is starting to make less sense to me. (rant)
June 18, 2015 at 3:34 am
(This post was last modified: June 18, 2015 at 3:40 am by robvalue.)
This is all just my stupid take on this
Pyr: I believe what you are describing is an intention to act, given certain conditions. For example, you intend to have coffee each day, if it is possible, and if there is no big reason not to. That doesn't mean it will actually happen, so you don't know it will happen for a fact. You may simply forget, you may go off coffee, you may run out of coffee... So it's just an intention. To actually know for a fact you were going to have it would require that knowledge to be completely accurate beyond dispute. Of course, no human can have such knowledge so it's a moot point. There's no reason to think such knowledge is possible.
And if God knows everything about his own future, he knows it down to the finest detail of every tiniest fraction of whatever passes for "time" or whatever in his case. I'm not saying he merely intends to do something so can change his mind, I'm saying he can "see" the future by knowledge. Again, this is of course absolutely absurd and even theists often back off at this point and say he can't know the future because it isn't logically possible to, but then try and make out he still does know what will happen..
Ahem! But if he can see our future but not his own, that means he cannot act upon our reality in any way not consistent with what he has already seen, so he still partially binds himself.
Again, this is all absurd. The idea that you can "know the future" makes no sense, that is the point
You'd have to be outside a stationary deterministic object where time has already been taken into consideration as one of the dimensions so you're just viewing the whole thing. Again, no reason to think this is possible with our reality.
I'll leave it at that, if I've not convinced you that's fair enough
I'm no expert I just like to waffle.

Pyr: I believe what you are describing is an intention to act, given certain conditions. For example, you intend to have coffee each day, if it is possible, and if there is no big reason not to. That doesn't mean it will actually happen, so you don't know it will happen for a fact. You may simply forget, you may go off coffee, you may run out of coffee... So it's just an intention. To actually know for a fact you were going to have it would require that knowledge to be completely accurate beyond dispute. Of course, no human can have such knowledge so it's a moot point. There's no reason to think such knowledge is possible.
And if God knows everything about his own future, he knows it down to the finest detail of every tiniest fraction of whatever passes for "time" or whatever in his case. I'm not saying he merely intends to do something so can change his mind, I'm saying he can "see" the future by knowledge. Again, this is of course absolutely absurd and even theists often back off at this point and say he can't know the future because it isn't logically possible to, but then try and make out he still does know what will happen..
Ahem! But if he can see our future but not his own, that means he cannot act upon our reality in any way not consistent with what he has already seen, so he still partially binds himself.
Again, this is all absurd. The idea that you can "know the future" makes no sense, that is the point

I'll leave it at that, if I've not convinced you that's fair enough

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