(June 18, 2015 at 7:51 pm)Iroscato Wrote:(June 18, 2015 at 7:42 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My answer to "why do you believe in God:"And yet again we run into the same wall - where did this creator come from? If a complex object such as the universe could only have been designed, where the hell did the infinitely more complex and powerful creator come from? All answers I've ever seen for this boil down to "oh, well god exists outside of reality so he's exempt".
First I'd say that I cannot provide concrete, physical proof that God exists. I don't think anyone can, and I think we'd all be better off admitting to that.
I do believe that miracles have happened, but unless one happens right in front of any of you, I cannot claim it as proof.
Though I cannot provide proof of God, I think what convinces me most is the fact that everything couldn't have just come from nothing. I believe in evolution and I believe in the big bang theory. But what happened before the big bang? Where did the "stuff" that exploded come from? In nature, everything comes from something. Things don't just form themselves from nothing. This is something that, to me, cannot possibly be explained by the laws of nature. It leaves me believing that there's something more that.
Muleshit. A creator should always be the LAST option considered by a theory, after every possible alternative has been thoroughly and exhaustively debunked. Anything less is a grave betrayal of the power of the human mind.
Hi Iroscato. That's a fair point.
To believe in God is to believe that He is a supernatural being. Everything in nature came from something. The supernatural, though, is not bound by the laws of nature.
What are your personal theories regarding this, btw?
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