(October 1, 2010 at 4:52 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(October 1, 2010 at 12:29 am)Godschild Wrote: What I put in bold.
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Quote:Yahweh is who he was sacrificed to.
Conclusion of the logic prior to it, which was not in bold. Since that part was clear to you, why is the conclusion not clear?
Quote:But he IS Yahweh
John 1:1-14 "The Word was God... and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us"
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one"
John 10:38 "The Father is in me and I in him"
John 20:28-29 (Thomas calls Jesus "my God" and Jesus confirms this)
Phil 2:6 "Jesus being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God"
1 Tim 3:16 "God was manifest in the flesh"
Rev 22:13 "I (Jesus) am the Alpha and Omega"
Quote:and so he is sacrificing himself to himself in order to convince himself to forgive us.
I know there's a passage in Paul's letters that testify that without the blood of Jesus, there could be no remission of sin. Do I need to dig that one up for you?
Now is it clear?
Give that man his dollar and Min don't spend it all in one place. I never said Christ was not God as a matter of fact many of those verses I also posted and not one says anything about God sacrificing Himself to Himself. The sacrifice was made for mankind not to God. The sacrifice was made to cover our sin, not to convince God to forgive us. God forgave us before He created us if He had not then why create us at all.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Why did you leave out the bold part of this verse, it does show that the Word (Christ) was seperate from the Father and Holy Spirit and the last of the verse shows He was part of the Godhead.
John 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Again you've left out a verse that shows that Christ is a seperate part of the Godhead. The Greek word translated He in this verse literally means "this one" putting a strong emphasis on two seperate beings.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." Please notice that one is not capitalized so in this instance Jesus is not referring to them as being God, His point here is they are of the same essence, sharing the same special qualities that are God. You need to read vs.27-29 to understand this.
John 10:38 the Father is in Me, and I in the Father. Again you leave out important information that makes this statement understandable. You must start reading at v.31 to understand whay Jesus is saying.
In verse 36 Jesus says that the Father sanctified Him and sent Him again showing seperate persons. What Jesus was saying in verse 38 is that He and the Father are working as one, of the same essence, sharing the same good works to show men who God really is.
John 20:28-29 This verse you are using to prove your point has far reaching meaning, Thomas first calls Him my Lord which acknowledges that Jesus did exactly as He said He would (raise from the dead). Thomas realized that Jesus was sent to accomplish a work for the Father and He did. Yes he called Jesus his God and rightfully so because the Son of the Father is part of the Godhead.
Phlippians 2:6 Once again you have taken a verse to make a point without considering the verses around it. Phlip.2:1-11 are all one lesson, the author of this book is stating that we should be like Christ and empty ourselves and become as a servant to God, as Christ did. Also because of the word robbery I think you miss understand that part of the verse, Christ was saying that is something incomprehensible for men. If you can borrow a NASV or ESV translation you can more easily understand this.
1st Timothy 3:16 Being a part of God yes He was revealed in the flesh. Do you think people would have listened to Him if He came in His God form. They surely would not have killed Him. To be revealed in the flesh means He layed down His powers So He could be killed.
Please look it up but it want say that God sacrificed Himself to Himself,Christ sacrificed Himself for all of those who will accept what He did for us.
Rev.22:13 Of course He's the Alpha and Omega He was with God from the first and will be God forever. I never said Christ was not God just a seperate part of the one true living God.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.