Hi Crosssaves, first of all welcome to the forums. If you truly wish to discuss this, then please create a introduction for yourself and then please keep an open mind settle down in this forum for a few days at least. Your arguments have all been answered several times in the past when proposed by other theists, and thus people here can get a bit annoyed for repeating the same thing over and over.
Your first claim is that nature cannot come from nothing, and science agrees. Science says there might be something be fore our nature existed, but we don't have the means yet to know what it is.
Your second claim is that we have to be as knowledgeable as God to truly be sure of him, and I agree.
You say, "That which is unfalsifiable is itself false", and I, considering that God is unfalsifiable, agree (and I think science agrees too) .
Now, why does it have to be a 'uncreated creator' for our world to exist? Why can't our world arise from or be part of an 'untriggered process'? You would reject the second because we don't normally 'see' that happening (though in the quantum world particles do pop in and out of existence), and similarly we don't 'see' the uncreated creator in this world (not in the quantum world either), so shouldn't they both be equally valid or invalid?
Even if there is a sentience beyond our understanding, how do we know or be sure of it's characteristics if we cannot comprehend it? How can we differentiate between Yahweh and Odin? How do we know it's thoughts? How can we claim it wants to have a 'personal relationship' with anyone? Would you want to have an personal relationship with a bacteria?
Your first claim is that nature cannot come from nothing, and science agrees. Science says there might be something be fore our nature existed, but we don't have the means yet to know what it is.
Your second claim is that we have to be as knowledgeable as God to truly be sure of him, and I agree.
You say, "That which is unfalsifiable is itself false", and I, considering that God is unfalsifiable, agree (and I think science agrees too) .
Now, why does it have to be a 'uncreated creator' for our world to exist? Why can't our world arise from or be part of an 'untriggered process'? You would reject the second because we don't normally 'see' that happening (though in the quantum world particles do pop in and out of existence), and similarly we don't 'see' the uncreated creator in this world (not in the quantum world either), so shouldn't they both be equally valid or invalid?
Even if there is a sentience beyond our understanding, how do we know or be sure of it's characteristics if we cannot comprehend it? How can we differentiate between Yahweh and Odin? How do we know it's thoughts? How can we claim it wants to have a 'personal relationship' with anyone? Would you want to have an personal relationship with a bacteria?
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