(October 2, 2010 at 2:38 am)IceSage Wrote:(October 2, 2010 at 1:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Give that man his dollar and Min don't spend it all in one place. I never said Christ was not God as a matter of fact many of those verses I also posted and not one says anything about God sacrificing Himself to Himself. The sacrifice was made for mankind not to God. The sacrifice was made to cover our sin, not to convince God to forgive us. God forgave us before He created us if He had not then why create us at all.
By you saying this, you're suggesting that mandkind has the ability to control our own fate and we were able to cover up our sin at any given point. You're suggesting we even have the power to eradicate and abolish evil, without the power of God. To for whom are we giving the sacrifice to? Not us.
So, God isn't the one throwing us in an eternal Hell... We are? Because that's what you're saying.
Say I lived in those times back then, even spoke to God directly. Say I told everyone I didn't believe in God, and that I hate him after speaking to him, and that I want nothing to do with him. So... Who then would be the one judging me and throwing me into eternal torment? Would it be humanity, myself? Or would it be God? Because the individual doesn't want to harm themselves, so it must be some other entity outside of that human's control. IE. God.
Stop pussyfooting around. The sacrifice was to appease God, period.
You have the most unreasonable way of reading what I have written. I did not say that Christ sacrificed Himself to us nor would I ever believe that, I said He did not sacrifice Himself to Himself, He Gave His life for us (do you understand what the word for means.) We are not giving a sacrifice to any one that has been done for us once and for all, no other sacrifice needed. When Christ gave His life for us it was sufficient for all people for all time.
Yes we do have control of our own fate, God gave us freewill to insure that our eternal destiny was our choice not His. Yes our sin is covered when we accept Christ as our savior, at that given point in time. Yes a person condenms his/herself to hell and God the Father shows them why and how they did this. You are right no one wants to go into an eternal hell, that is when they realize it is a real place, so yes God is the One who puts people there, kicking and screaming all the way there.
The answer to your last paragragh is yourself, God shows you why your choices lead to this and off you go. This is not what God wants for you, it is your choice.
I do not pussyfoot around it is your misconception of what I post that must make you think I am.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.