Answers needed

[paulpablo]

This is incorrect. An atheist 'believes', to varying degrees, that we do not know how life (the universe, theoretical paradigms on the origin of life on earth are pretty robust at this point but naturally need further evidence and theorising to clarify) came into existence. Occam's razor precludes a god explanation though naturally the only logically consistent answer for atheists and theists alike is 'nobody knows'. Some atheists may say there is definitely no god, most will say they don't know but there's currently no reason to believe there is.

Irreducible complexity as a thesis for God has been debunked so many times on this forum alone it's not even fun to do it anymore.

Welcome To the forum.

OK. I may have just learned something new! But doesn't the definition of atheist mean that a god is not an available solution for the origin of the universe? Also, did you know that William of Ockham was a Franciscan friar? :-) I would recommend a deeper study of his theology before using him to disprove God. In fact, his razor has been used in certain dark regions of cosmology to support the idea of God. (!?)

I'll forgive your lack of interest in Behe. 

---

Really??? Pascal's Wager?

Dude... you really need to look around the forum a little.  You're in way over your head.

Thanks for the advice. It is a novel experience for me. btw. Have you actually read Pascal for yourself? As you know, many things get lost in transmission. And besides, he is more complex than just his "wager argument."

---

The behavior of others only effects what I believe they believe.  If I see someone jump from a building and flap their arms I'd believe they were crazy and belived they could fly.
When I see Muslims or Christians still cling on to money, having sex outside of marriage, and fear death, it makes me think they believe in the bible/quran about as much as I do (I don't believe in what the bible says at all)
I believe the bible and quran are both unbelievable for reasons other than peoples behavior.
And Muslims would disagree with what you say about the quan, they would see it the other way around.

Paulpablo,

Why don't you use the inductive approach like you do for the building jumper? The Christians you know don't have an appropriate fear of God, so they must not really believe what the Bible says.

I think they have an apropriate fear of god (none at all) but an inapropriate fear of admitting to themselves/others that they don't believe the bible/quran.