RE: The Trinity Explained
October 5, 2010 at 5:32 pm
(This post was last modified: October 5, 2010 at 5:37 pm by fr0d0.)
(October 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: As DBP pointed out, this argument makes no sense whatsoever.Well I'd like to know how you come to that conclusion.
(October 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Jesus was the sacrifice that fulfilled the need for further animal sacrifices. The OT deals with such sacrifices as methods for atonement for sins and pleasing Yahweh. To take this method of divine appeasement seriously (setting aside the question as to how do gods benefit from blood on their alters again and why a human sacrifice is the ultimate sacrifice), this is like paying the entire balance on a credit card instead of the minimum payments. Correct?You made a typo right? It removed the need for other sacrifice.
It's not so much that gods are benefited rather how people feel forgiven. The need for it is human.
No it's never fully paying up a debt. No one accepts the forgiveness and suddenly steps over a line into perfection. This is the direct method of removing the obstacles that would otherwise rob you of the claim to attain perfection... after being made perfect yourself via forgiveness. It's an ongoing process... an aim.
(October 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: If so, the same rules apply. Animal sacrifices were made TO Yahweh to atone for sins. These are like minimum payments to a credit card company. Along comes Jesus to be the ultimate sacrifice. He's like paying off the balance in full. So we (theoretically) benefit as our sins are forgive (the debt is paid off, as Christians often like to say in their analogies). So Jesus paid for our sins? Who did he pay? He didn't pay us, as you don't pay a debtor for their own debts. You pay the creditor, Yahweh. Just as you pay the credit card company to have our debts forgiven, Jesus was sacrificed TO Yahweh to pay for our sins.Jesus paid for our sins yes. Jesus, fully human and fully God made himself the sacrifice so that our debts were paid. You must be thinking that Jesus wasn't God to continually draw your conclusions. Otherwise your summation is totally illogical.
(October 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Also, it wasn't Yahweh who drove in the nails and raised the cross.Yahweh, being wholly good, cannot commit evil. Evil is the opposing force.