RE: The Trinity Explained
October 6, 2010 at 12:11 am
(This post was last modified: October 6, 2010 at 3:52 am by Anomalocaris.)
(October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: Thanks fr0do,Watson and tackattack I sure was filling lonely in here KUDOS to all three.
Now atheist or any nonbelivers why would God sacrifice Himself to Himself like fr0do said that is not logical. Your reasoning is not sound Bibically and this is the only thing we have to use about sacrifice so if you want to argue about sacrifice according to God then you need to go to the Bible. Let's say I give up a weekend to help a widow or anyone else who is in need I've then sacrificed my planned weekend for someone else who had a need, this in no way compares to what Christ did for us, I did not sacrifice my time to anyone nor to God only for one who was in need and to glorify God. The sacrifice I made was not to gain anything for if I had then where is the sacrifice. Now Christ gave His life for mankind and it was not for gain, if His sacrifice was to God then Christ would have gained by receiving His life back, the sacrifice Christ made was to glorify the Father not to appease Him. The reason Christ was raised from the dead was to give us the hope (knowledge) of eternal life, no one else could do this but Christ, He is the one who died for our sins, so in accepting His sacrifice we could know that we would have eternal life. If Christ had sacrificed Himself to God and not been raised from the dead then what kind of message would God have been sending mankind. How could we have ever thought God would restore our lives if He would not raise His Son from the grave.
So is Jesus "consubstantial" with god or not?? But that's a nettlesome point which need not get in the way of a good Christian apology.
So the story seems to be the sacrifice was a charade because the supposed victim was always going to get everything back, whether because he is god, or because he has god in a reputation bind. But the sacrifice was nontheless meant to be taken at face value eventhough the reader is also told through a major bullet point that victim was getting everything back and thus stood to sacrifice nothing through his sacrifice. Nevertheless the whole thing was still well intended by none less that the omniscient repository of infinite goodness itself to convey a message of utmost importance. But omnipotence nevertheless could not conjure method of transmission faster and mote effective then by spreading the convoluted and somewhat critically suspect story through word of mouth and manuscripts that most people can't read. Despite notable effort on the part of the faithfully informed to speed the all important word by wars of conquest in which millions were killed before they can actually receive the information, countless millions others over two thousand years were nonetheless completely overlooked by the all knowing, not to mention remained beyond the conversion effort and lance points of faithful, and left without a hope of being informed.
Through all this god smiled with munificience.