The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Chad32]

@chad the Moral law is an absolute and can't be constructed by a society. Every human being realizes that something is wrong, that the world isn't perfect, it is just that everyone has a different idea on how to solve it. People knows that cowards, liars, thieves and murders do not live as they should. Yet humans try to cover up our own sin by justification to make it seem as though they do not have these characteristics. They try to dress it up to reason it away. This is evidence for the moral law.

I worship God because He has always done good to me. Even before I could or would read the Bible what he spoke to me is proved by the Bible.  He called out to me when I wasn't looking for Him. He sought me in my ignorance and laid down his life for me in my disobedience. Even when I lived counter to His ways He had great patience with me and still lead and blessed me. He has been with me through some of the hardest times of my life and I have come out stronger. He has taken me places that I never thought I would ever go. My God is good and I have a very real and personal relationship with Him. So when you call Him a dictator and a murderer I know you are lying because it is easier to defame the name of God then to humble yourself and see that you are sinful.

Your sin is not mild you are just blind to it. You have lived in it for so long that you are able to justify it away.
You also come to the bible with a presupposition because you have already stated that you are a God hatter so I will have a difficult time thinking that you would come to it objectively. Actually everyone comes with some kind of presupposition when they are reading or evaluating anything. That is why God has to give us a new heart and mind.

Did you create yourself? Did you choose to come into existence? When was the last time you crated something from nothing? Do you make the earth move around the sun? When was the last time you created consciousness? When was the last time you saw the wind? When was the last time you held your thoughts or love? Not everything that is real is physical. It is short sighted to believe that everything that is worth considering exist like we do.

Yes, societies do create morals, because that's the only way societies can run. Unfortunately the bigger a society is, the more chance there is that different "in groups" will form within that society. Especially between those who have power, and those who don't. If those with power aren't kept in check by the people at large, they become corrupt until an inevitable rebellion. This happens throughout history. Why should any god feel they would be the exception to this universal rule? Even your god acts tribally. Thou shalt not kill or steal. Now go to this neighboring land I picked, kill everyone in it, and steal their stuff. These two basic rules are not objective or universal. They end at the border between the "in group", and the "out group". I've heard people say god gave people things, and he can take them away, but where is it culturally acceptable for someone to take back something that's been given? If I buy a car, and give it to you for a special occasion, do I have the right to come back later and take it away? Many would presumably say no.

The bible is a claim. It isn't proof of anything. For every prophesy people have said came true, there are others that haven't. Even the ones that came true are often vague, giving no specific date or anything. Am I lying by calling him a dictator? What's the difference between him and some Human calling the shots with no checks or balances? If anything I'd say he's worse than a dictator, because at least I could escape Kim Jong Un by dying.

If god was a real person, I would have to hate him. I seriously doubt he could justify the kinds of things he supposedly does. I don't hate his character for no reason, though. It is a seriously demented god the book portrays, and I just could not in good conscience accept the things attributed to him.

My parents created me. I didn't create something from nothing either. There's never been a time in the universe when there was absolutely nothing, and no way to tell what may have existed before the big bang. I can create consciousness by getting someone pregnant. It's not hard. I can feel the wind. I don't know what you mean by holding thoughts or love, but we have machines that can detect emotional impulses. We have yet to detect any gods, or other supernatural forces. one thing we have done is find natural cases for everything we used to attribute to gods. How many times can someone say that something happens because of god, then we prove it naturally, before you start to doubt the existence of gods?[/quote]