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The Trinity Explained
RE: The Trinity Explained
(October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: Now atheist or any nonbelivers why would God sacrifice Himself to Himself like fr0do said that is not logical.

Now you're getting it.

(October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let's say I give up a weekend to help a widow or anyone else who is in need I've then sacrificed my planned weekend for someone else who had a need, this in no way compares to what Christ did for us, I did not sacrifice my time to anyone nor to God only for one who was in need and to glorify God.

You didn't sacrifice your time to God, you just sacrificed time to directly benefit that God. Can you see how this makes no sense?

This is the equivalent of saying:
"I didn't give money to Mary, I only transferred money to her bank account."

(October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: The sacrifice I made was not to gain anything for if I had then where is the sacrifice.

If you didn't have anything to gain, you wouldn't have done it. Altriusm works because it rewards both parties. One gets a service or tangible goods, and the other gets a sense of satisfaction, at the very least.

Have you ever seen anyone giving to the homeless that genuinely hated it, but were there on their own accord, without any reward at all?

(October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: Now Christ gave His life for mankind and it was not for gain, if His sacrifice was to God then Christ would have gained by receiving His life back,

I'm sorry, but according to the Bible, didn't he come back to life, then ascend to Heaven, to live eternally?

(October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: the sacrifice Christ made was to glorify the Father not to appease Him. The reason Christ was raised from the dead was to give us the hope (knowledge) of eternal life, no one else could do this but Christ, He is the one who died for our sins, so in accepting His sacrifice we could know that we would have eternal life.

You just said that if his sacrifice was to God, then Christ would have gotten his life back, which he did. You're pretty much refuting your own assertions.

(October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: If Christ had sacrificed Himself to God and not been raised from the dead then what kind of message would God have been sending mankind.

"I don't exist."

(October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: How could we have ever thought God would restore our lives if He would not raise His Son from the grave.

Judaism and Islam have worked pretty well without that little part of the story.


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The Trinity Explained - by FadingW - September 18, 2010 at 3:24 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 4:30 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by krazedkat - September 19, 2010 at 10:28 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 19, 2010 at 11:00 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Tiberius - September 20, 2010 at 3:58 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Ashendant - September 20, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 20, 2010 at 11:29 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 20, 2010 at 11:47 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 21, 2010 at 10:57 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 22, 2010 at 12:37 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 23, 2010 at 7:42 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 23, 2010 at 8:43 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - September 20, 2010 at 6:55 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by padraic - September 21, 2010 at 12:04 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 19, 2010 at 11:06 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Entropist - September 20, 2010 at 8:35 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by josh.niles - September 20, 2010 at 11:52 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by chatpilot - September 20, 2010 at 7:24 pm
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RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - September 22, 2010 at 2:09 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 20, 2010 at 11:51 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by krazedkat - September 21, 2010 at 12:00 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 21, 2010 at 12:42 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Entropist - September 21, 2010 at 12:57 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 22, 2010 at 8:18 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 26, 2010 at 10:08 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - September 26, 2010 at 10:25 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 27, 2010 at 3:51 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 27, 2010 at 12:26 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 27, 2010 at 5:02 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - September 27, 2010 at 10:20 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 28, 2010 at 3:36 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by The Omnissiunt One - September 27, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 28, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - September 30, 2010 at 10:49 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 1, 2010 at 12:29 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 1, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 2, 2010 at 1:28 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 2, 2010 at 2:38 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 2, 2010 at 9:59 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 3, 2010 at 1:06 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 5, 2010 at 1:15 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 11:57 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by downbeatplumb - October 5, 2010 at 12:44 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 3, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 4, 2010 at 10:15 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 4, 2010 at 11:03 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 5, 2010 at 6:26 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 2, 2010 at 3:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 2, 2010 at 10:09 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 2, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 3, 2010 at 1:25 am
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RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 28, 2010 at 7:53 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 29, 2010 at 11:51 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - September 30, 2010 at 1:06 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 30, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 1, 2010 at 12:09 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 1, 2010 at 12:27 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Edwardo Piet - October 1, 2010 at 7:08 am
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RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 30, 2010 at 11:48 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - September 30, 2010 at 2:06 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 30, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - October 1, 2010 at 11:07 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 30, 2010 at 12:12 pm
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RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 1, 2010 at 12:11 pm
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RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - October 2, 2010 at 3:18 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 3, 2010 at 2:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 5, 2010 at 2:36 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - October 5, 2010 at 6:18 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 11:42 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 4:54 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 5:11 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 5:25 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by The Omnissiunt One - October 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 1:07 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 2:20 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 5:34 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - October 5, 2010 at 3:28 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 4:28 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 4:56 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 5:16 pm
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RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 4:58 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 5:19 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 5:34 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 5:56 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 5:37 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 5:45 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - October 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2010 at 3:34 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - October 7, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 6:02 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by downbeatplumb - October 6, 2010 at 1:21 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 7, 2010 at 4:09 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 7, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 8, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 11:49 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2010 at 12:11 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - October 6, 2010 at 11:40 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2010 at 1:12 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 6, 2010 at 1:02 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 7, 2010 at 12:35 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 8, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by gmjackson - October 7, 2010 at 2:01 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 7, 2010 at 3:29 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 8, 2010 at 6:26 am

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