(July 2, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:(July 2, 2015 at 11:00 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Since nothing in this universe has the power to produce anything without some kind of substance that shows that the first causer was not in the universe.
That's not demonstrable.
So you'll just go full on Kalam? That doesn't solve anything, only gives you +1 thing to account for. Infinite regress is a bitch, huh
Gotta love that Cosmological Argument bullshit, right? They start with one decent premise (stuff exists), and then go on to build a series of premises that are each less sound than the last, ending with "The uncaused cause must be God." Theists love to stuff important-sounding words into a sentence and then put it out there is if it's some kind of unassailable truth.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com