RE: Do you have the right to be an atheist?
July 5, 2015 at 10:45 am
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2015 at 10:49 am by Holden Caulfield.)
(July 5, 2015 at 10:37 am)pool Wrote:(July 5, 2015 at 10:10 am)Holden Caulfield Wrote: Exactly.
That's exactly what drives me nuts about being "openly" atheist. Everyone assumes I say god doesn't exist 100%. No I just want you to define your god then prove to me he exists. If you can do that using evidence I'll be a believer. I haven't seen anyone even come close so far.
Actually i did that right here hahaha of course with lots of trickery that is.
I (think)proved the existence of a non-religious god by correlating this god to aliens(hence confirming their existence or the high probability of their existence) and their ability to perform supernatural phenomenon using extreme intelligence and thereby satisfying the definition of a (non-religious)god that is - "A supreme/superior being,capable of performing supernatural feats".
Maybe if i changed the definition to "A supreme/superior being of foreign orgin,capable of performing supernatural feats." i'd have a more stern position(or i could argue that nobody on earth would fit this description because of the unachievable qualities defined in the definition and hence they are of foreign orgin - no other way)but then everyone would say that i "changed" the definition of god to fit into my argument.
Bleh(the truth is),it doesn't even have a definition to begin with bruh so make up your own and convince others its the right one.
If you want a definition for religious gods i think i have one: "A supreme/superior being of foreign or domestic orgin,capable of performing supernatural feats."
I came up with this definition by generally simple observation of religious gods and i have data to support my observation.
(The domestic part because there are a shit load of religions that one of them probably have a dude that happened to be on earth and they consider(ed) him a god - ah religion you ruthless butcher)
Is it truly supernatural if humans one day have the potential one day understand and perform those supernatural acts?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke
Advanced technology or understanding is by no one's definition suffient for proof as god, IMO. While I believe aliens exist (not in the Roswell/abduction crap, but in principle in the universe) them being more advanced is not proof of god any more than modern western civilization vs uncontacted tribes in South America or Africa.
Personally I really think your jumping when you equate more intelligent/advanced technology or feats to the supernatural. Supernatural is something that defies not only the known laws of physics/science but also the unknown truths that are still yet unknown. If something can be understood, even if it's millenia ahead of humanity, it's not supernatural. Even if you change it to something humans can't do you leave out the fact humans can't change colour...whereas for example charmeleons can. It has to be something that can be shown and proven AND shown that it's be allowed.
But this is getting into specific theoretical god arguments. Which you can't prove exist. So we are back where we started. Can you prove any of it? No. So no god that you can prove.
“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.”
― Mark Twain
― Mark Twain