The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Chad32]

There are basic rules for getting along with a group. Rules that practically every group has in order to function.

Yes, science is the study of the natural universe. Which is everything we've found any evidence of. Science is the best method of finding out how the universe works. There is no way to test the existence of supernatural forces. We have never found out how something works, and discovered that it's by anything other than natural forces.

You seem to base your reality on untestable things. If it can't be tested, it may as well be fictional.

We can study water and air, and know why we need it. We can't study gods, so we can't say anything conclusive about what they are, what they want, or what we're supposed to do about it.

People worthy of leadership are those that have the best interests of the population at heart. Someone who works as a public servant. Not a ruler. The president of my country is not meant to be someone we unquestionably obey. He is supposed to work for us. We, as a whole, are his boss. He should be working to keep us happy, healthy, and wealthy. Not use us to make him richer. that is what we need in a leader. Not a lord and master who we have to please on pain of death.

Sorry that I didn't respond yesterday I didn't see this.

So are emotions, a person's character, thoughts, understanding, and ideas not real? Science can only study the brain but it can not physically grab hold of these things and study them. Are quarks real? No one has seen them.

I have said you can look at the bible but you have refused so the only reason it is untestable is because you will not test it.

You can't physically study me at my computer right now the only way you can know what I am thinking or what I would like is by reading my written words. God wrote His words down in a book and not just that if you submit to Him and repent form your sins you could even get to know what he is like because you have Him all wrong.

What if what the people think will make them healthy, wealthy and happy will no actually do that but the president. Then he proceeds to put that in action do you think the people will see him as a good leader?

There is the study of psychology, neuroscience, and other things that have to do with the mind. We can detect electrical impulses in the brain, understand why we feel many emotions, and see their effects. These things can be studied because we have physical brains to study.  We don't have a god on hand to study, any more than we have a leprechaun. As far as quarks go, they are conencted to hadrons which can be tested.

Test the bible? Ok. Can a body of water come together in space, with no apparent means to keep it in liquid form? No. Is the moon a source of light? No. Was grass and fruit bearing plants the first forms of plant-life? No. Can two individuals created a thriving and healthy species? No. There are things we know about how stars and planets form that don't fit with the way the bible describes the origin of the world and creatures within. The best explanation you have is magic, which can't be tested.

No, I can't study you from here. We could, however, meet up at a lab sometime and probably learn more things about our bodies and ourselves than we ever knew. The great thing about science is that anyone with the proper education and resources can double check anything a scientist says. That's why education is so important. I spent twenty years submitting myself to Jesus. They were fun years, but eventually i grew into my own person like most adults do. Someone with an idea of justice that doesn't mesh with the idea of scapegoating innocent people for my own actions. Or punishing people infinitely for finite crimes.

I'm not sure I understand that last part. "What if what people think will make them healthy, wealthy, and happy will no(t) actually do that but the president." Are you trying to say if there's just one person who knows how to make everyone happy, healthy, and wealthy? There isn't. That's what councils of representatives are for. The closer you get to one person, or a small group, having all the power, the more corrupt the society gets.