RE: Your perception of theists
July 6, 2015 at 12:57 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2015 at 1:00 pm by robvalue.)
Well, we literally can't investigate it, usually. That's because the claim is defined in such a way that there is nothing we can learn about it. God is usually carefully defined in order to be science proof, so... if it exists, it's science proof. It can't be investigated.
If you have a sensible definition of what God is meant to be that would make it possible to investigate it, I'd be very interested! I've literally never heard one. All I've ever heard is unfalsifiable claims (claims that can't be proved wrong). For example:
I'm told to pray. If the prayer is "answered", that is proof of God. If the prayer is not answered, then God either said no, or I must wait. Either way, God exists. This is no test at all, just reaffirming an assumption, because there is no failure criteria.
I get told to use methods other than science. But there are no other methods; science is what demonstrably and repeatedly works. By definition, any method worth a damn is science. All "other methods" result in thousands of people all getting different conclusions, all with no way to demonstrate any of them are anything beyond imaginary.
If you have a sensible definition of what God is meant to be that would make it possible to investigate it, I'd be very interested! I've literally never heard one. All I've ever heard is unfalsifiable claims (claims that can't be proved wrong). For example:
I'm told to pray. If the prayer is "answered", that is proof of God. If the prayer is not answered, then God either said no, or I must wait. Either way, God exists. This is no test at all, just reaffirming an assumption, because there is no failure criteria.
I get told to use methods other than science. But there are no other methods; science is what demonstrably and repeatedly works. By definition, any method worth a damn is science. All "other methods" result in thousands of people all getting different conclusions, all with no way to demonstrate any of them are anything beyond imaginary.
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