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Let's get the fact's straight
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RE: Let's get the fact's straight
I find it strange that people keep bringing up the idea of wanting to believe in a god or not wanting to believe in a god.  What you want to be the case does not make the world different from how it is.

I am reminded of a Christian I once encountered who said some things that were quite different from what one ordinarily encounters.  She said that god was evil, which is obvious from the Old Testament, but you needed to kiss his ass (not her words) in order to get into heaven and avoid hell.

It does not matter whether you want there to be a god or not.  What matters is whether there is a god or not.  If there is, you need to deal with that reality, and if there is not, you need to deal with that reality.  What you want to exist is irrelevant.


In this case, we have no reason to believe that there is a god at all (that was the mistake of the Christian woman mentioned previously, though she was obviously right that the description of the being referred to as "god" in the Old Testament is evil).  And so we should deal with that.  Whether you want there to be a god or not is irrelevant.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 7, 2015 at 2:12 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Longhorn - July 7, 2015 at 2:33 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by ignoramus - July 7, 2015 at 2:58 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by robvalue - July 7, 2015 at 3:37 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Longhorn - July 7, 2015 at 3:52 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by KevinM1 - July 7, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by robvalue - July 7, 2015 at 3:55 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by ignoramus - July 7, 2015 at 4:16 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 7, 2015 at 8:23 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by loganonekenobi - July 7, 2015 at 9:06 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Cato - July 7, 2015 at 9:24 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 7, 2015 at 9:27 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Iroscato - July 7, 2015 at 8:43 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by robvalue - July 7, 2015 at 8:47 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 7, 2015 at 9:12 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 7, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 7, 2015 at 1:01 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Pyrrho - July 7, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 7, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 7, 2015 at 1:26 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 8, 2015 at 2:50 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Silver - July 8, 2015 at 2:51 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 7, 2015 at 1:31 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 7, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Minimalist - July 7, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 7, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 7, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 7, 2015 at 7:01 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 7, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 7, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 7, 2015 at 8:49 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Pyrrho - July 7, 2015 at 9:04 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 7, 2015 at 11:56 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Pyrrho - July 8, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by robvalue - July 8, 2015 at 1:26 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 8, 2015 at 11:58 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 8, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Cyberman - July 8, 2015 at 12:19 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Pyrrho - July 8, 2015 at 1:56 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Longhorn - July 8, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Drich - July 8, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Cyberman - July 8, 2015 at 1:30 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 8, 2015 at 2:05 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Pyrrho - July 8, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Excited Penguin - July 8, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 8, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Pyrrho - July 8, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 8, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Spooky - July 8, 2015 at 3:13 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 8, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Pyrrho - July 8, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by LostLocke - July 8, 2015 at 3:53 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Rhondazvous - July 9, 2015 at 9:03 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 10, 2015 at 1:57 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 8, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Pyrrho - July 8, 2015 at 4:21 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 8, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 8, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 8, 2015 at 5:13 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Spooky - July 8, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 8, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 8, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Cyberman - July 8, 2015 at 6:42 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 8, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 8, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 8, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 8, 2015 at 7:40 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 8, 2015 at 9:41 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 9, 2015 at 6:56 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 9, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by popsthebuilder - July 9, 2015 at 7:38 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by LostLocke - July 9, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by dyresand - July 9, 2015 at 4:49 pm
RE: Let's get the fact's straight - by Rhondazvous - July 9, 2015 at 10:19 am

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