The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Chad32]

That is not what I said. What I'm saying is that if morals come from someone, be they man or god, it is subjective. That is what subjective means. If it was objective, it would be separate from god, and he wouldn't be correct by default.

I don't account for absolute moral truth, because I don't believe it exists. I don't believe that homosexuality is an abomination, or that slavery, rape, genocide, and human sacrifice is ok within certain restrictions just because I read it in a book. Or that thoughts equal actions, and that killing an innocent person can absolve the guilty of their crimes, or that infinite punishment for finite crimes is a just system, just because I read it in a book.

I can do some research into objective data, that can influence my subjective morality, so I have a more clear idea of how I should live. I have already gone over this. I don't know how to be more clear to you.

The definition for objective is: (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

Objective only deals with people, not God. Since God does not change any of His moral commands will never change. He is also able to inforce this law and no one can over turn it. There is nothing out of His control so everything is subject to Him.

If you don't believe that there is an absolute then how do you account for knowlege? You have no foundation to base anything off of.

How can you do any research because you can't even trust your methods of research. You can not establish the correct way to research without an absolute. All of your conclusions are meaningless because there is a lack of foundation.

There is a truth and there is a truth giver. I can know things because God who has infinite knowledge has reviled this knowledge to me. You do not live as if there are no absolutes because you do not live as thought tomorrow would suddenly be a completly differnt reality. Not just that the world has systems if there were no absolutes then you would not see any natural laws.

God is a person. If he wasn't, there wouldn't be a point in worshiping him. A place, thing, or idea can't reward or punish you for anything. Just because he doesn't change (which is debatable) doesn't mean he got it right the first time. It just means he's stubborn. His ideas of the way things should be are as subjective as any. The only difference is that he's apparently top dog. if anyone overthrew him, their opinions would be the absolute morality somehow.

There are some things that can be absolute. Morality isn't one of them. I have said this before.

We can trust a method of research that can be cross-examined by other people, using multiple sources if possible. We make theories about things that have been repeatedly tested through multiple means, and reached the same conclusion. It remains a theory because something might come along to change it, but just because we don't know everything about how something works now, doesn't make it useless.

Your god doesn't seem to be good at handing down truth, given how many of his followers have died over disagreements over the truth he's trying to hand down.