RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 12, 2015 at 11:04 am
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 11:15 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(July 12, 2015 at 10:49 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 10:21 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Because we believe the Catholic Church's doctrine is revealed Truth and protected from human error by the Holy Spirit.
Also, I never said Revelations was a bunch of crap. Please read carefully as not to misrepresent my beliefs.
Ummm...you do realize that many people believe that EXACT thing about the bible, right? If god protects the church's proclamations, why wouldn't he also protect the bible? If he doesn't protect the bible and only inspires it, what makes you think he offers that protection for your doctrines?
Also, stay consistent please. One moment you're distancing yourself from revelation, the next you're back-pedaling toward it. If you only believe that some small part is valid, that still concedes that the rest is basically junk.
By the way, have you noticed that the more we learn about science, the more scripture is viewed as metaphor? It's almost as if every time we learn something new it shits on the bible. Why would this happen?
Also, how can Catholics believe the bible is inerrant when it contains so many scientific and historical errors?
Redbeard, this is what I said in regards to the bible when we were talking about Revelations:
"No, we do not believe that the bible is infallible.
Yes, it is the inspired word of God written through the filter of man, not written by the hand of God Himself.
Us Catholics believe that the Church is the main pillar of Truth, not the bible. Unlike other Christians, we are not Sola Scriptura. The Church existed before the bible did anyhow."
As you can see, I am not contradicting myself or back pedaling by saying "I never said Revelations is crap."
(July 12, 2015 at 8:36 am)Nope Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 1:55 am)Atheist_BG Wrote: I doubt CL even drinks anything harder than a Coke. Mostly because she's religious and as far as I know in religion drinking alcohol is a sin, just like masturbation is.
Besides, I don't belive such a beautiful girl would abuse alcohol.
Catholics can drink alcohol in moderation. You are confusing some very loud Protestant sects with Catholics.
Yes, thank you for clearing that up for our boy ABG.
As a way to prove that these really are Catholic beliefs and not just stuff I'm making up on my own, Randy sent me some good information.
This is what is written in the intro to the Ignatious Study Bible, a Catholic source:
"The guarantee of inerrancy does not mean, however, that the Bible is an all-purpose encyclopedia of information covering every field of study. The Bible is not, for example, a textbook in the empirical sciences, and it should not be treated as one. When biblical authors relate facts of the natural order, we can be sure they are speaking in a purely descriptive and "phenomenological" way, according to the way things appeared to their senses."
I think this too would help answer your question, Red, about the bible not being scientific.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh