RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 12, 2015 at 4:14 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 4:18 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(July 12, 2015 at 3:39 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:
Alright, so since Randy chickened out and won't be rescuing you any more (at least not from me), I guess I have to kick the question back to you, CL. How do your beliefs differ from Revelation? You're welcome to ignore me like Randy did if you don't like my tone and/or don't wish to answer any more hard questions.
Oh ok, lol. I don't like your tone, but don't believe in putting people on my ignore list.

Here's some paraphrasing:
My beliefs are that when Jesus comes, death will cease to exist. The souls of the people who have died will rise and be reunited with their bodies. And we will all have transformed, spiritual bodies. At this time, the final judgement will occur. Here, each person will have to account for his conduct and the deepest secrets of his soul will come to light. How well each person has responded to the prompting of God's grace will be made clear. Our attitude and actions toward our neighbor will reflect how well we have loved our Lord (basically, we can best love God by loving others).
This next part from the Catechism I will leave as is because it is important: "By rejecting grace in this life, one already judges oneself, receives according to one's works and can even condemn oneself for all eternity by rejecting the Spirit of love."
^So those who have done right will rise to life, and the evildoers who reject love and grace and who have no remorse rise to be damned.
.....This is pretty much the same overall message in Revelations, but without taking all the metaphorical language as any sort of literal truth, which is how you were presenting it.
Source, if interested: https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/judga2.htm
(July 12, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 3:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well, my beliefs are that of the Catholic Church, since I am Catholic. But ok, seems like you are not interested in knowing. Fair enough.
I guess you didn't read the rest, huh? I notice you're pretty selective about what parts of my posts you'll respond to.
Like I said, I was gonna ask Randy what you believe, but he's not talking to me any more because I hurt his feel-bads. So now I'm asking you. What do you believe about the end times? I'm not asking for a simple "I believe what Catholics believe," and I don't particularly want to see a link. I'd like you to answer the question. You certainly do not have to if you cannot our do not wish to.
Sorry, I responded to that first part, went to the bathroom, and then came back and read the rest. Above is my response. My apologies.
(July 12, 2015 at 4:07 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 3:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well, my beliefs are that of the Catholic Church, since I am Catholic. But ok, seems like you are not interested in knowing. Fair enough.
Here's an overview from the USCCB: http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/0
Another wonderful source, thank you.
Redbeard:
This is an important thing to see in regards to our beliefs about Revelations. As I told you in my response, we believe it is covered in symbolism. Here is proof to show I am not making that up:
"The Apocalypse, or Revelation to John, the last book of the Bible, is one of the most difficult to understand because it abounds in unfamiliar and extravagant symbolism, which at best appears unusual to the modern reader. Symbolic language, however, is one of the chief characteristics of apocalyptic literature, of which this book is an outstanding example." - From the US Catholic Bishops
Source: http://www.usccb.org/bible/revelation/0
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh