RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 12, 2015 at 5:18 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 5:20 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(July 12, 2015 at 4:49 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 4:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No problem!
I really don't believe most humans will be damned, but that's just a matter of opinion, since none of us really know for sure.
If the math in Revelation is any indication, most humans will certainly be damned forever when this happens. I think it would be hard to argue that this would not be the case, even with avery broad interpretation. The qestion isn't about the intended end of time, though it's about whether you would push a button to make that happen right now. As it stands, the second coming will damn over 70% of currently existing humans, and that's only of you assume that none of the pale calling themselves Christian Get left behind. Jesus himself says that not everybody that calls him Lord will be saved in the end, so really the number is probably higher.
Just because a person calls themselves Christians does not mean they are good people and will go to Heaven. The Church teaches that it's important to be a good person, and that simply believing in Christ is not enough if you are not good.
And likewise, I think that an atheist person can still be a very good person and go to Heaven in the end.
Even if a person cannot bring themselves to believe in God or Jesus, if this person follows the commandments of Jesus (unknowingly) to live a life of love, generosity, honesty, kindness, etc etc... that person will absolutely go to Heaven.
^This is per my opinion, of course. The Church leaves this issue pretty open, since it's impossible to know who went to Hell.
(July 12, 2015 at 5:09 pm)dyresand Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 4:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No problem!A rough estimate a little less than (being generous) 2.5% of the worlds population would be going to heaven. Those figures are as is.
I really don't believe most humans will be damned, but that's just a matter of opinion, since none of us really know for sure.
Most of humanity would go to hell during the end times when such a minor percentage would go to heaven. That being said even
with people being born and dying every day you have to take that into account only a given 1% out of those people born are destined
to heaven while the ones who are dying are again 1%. It is really hinted by Paul that not everyone is getting into heaven and that god
created people that are noble being those who are apart of the 1% to get into heaven and the others... simply fillers that are going to hell
even if they go to jesus that won't change their outcome. The next part even if someone were to kill themselves granting that god of the bible exists
all that said person would be doing would be going to hell instead of god putting him there.
Where do these numbers come from?
For the record, they do not represent my beliefs regarding souls going to Heaven vs Hell.
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