RE: Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..
October 14, 2010 at 2:05 am
(October 14, 2010 at 1:13 am)Minimalist Wrote:
I love watching 2 xtians argue about which pile of trash smells worse.
Me too. They can't both be right.... but they can both be wrong
(October 13, 2010 at 11:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: It,s not cherry picking some of the OT laws do not apply to christianity as a matter of fact they were given to show the need of Christ as savior. Adam and Eve could not keep the only law given them and no one has ever keep all the 10 commandments, we're a pretty sorry lot.
John 1:1-5 These verses tell us that Christ was with the Father in the begining and that all things were made through Him. (Jesus was there at the start of creation)
Genesis 1:1-3 These verses tell us that the Father and Holy Spirit were present at the begining. Those eight verses show the Trinity has always been.
Genesis 3:22 God says,"Behold the man has become like us knowing good and evil. Here God the Father refers to the Son and Holy Spirit.
Ok, let me deal with your scripture. First off, John is NT. So him saying that Christ was with God in the beginning is a simple case of retcon. He could also have written that in the beginning God had a dog, but the OT doesn't say that he did. Anything from the NT that tries to rewrite the OT is not admissible.
Genesis 1 - this is just the christian interpretation. Could it be that the spirit of god is simply a reference to his spirit, not a separate entity? Otherwise you could also then say the brain of god, or the heart of god is also part of the multipart god (assuming he has a brain or heart). I'm sure the Jews do not have this interpretation of this passage, and remember, it was their book first.... but actually, as Christianity grew out of Judaism then really you should have the same interpretation.
Genesis 3 - yes, i love this one. This also links in nicely with "you shall have no other gods before me" the plural usage of god (Gods - Elohim) in the OT, and other reference that imply, Yahweh is not alone, which fits in nicely with historical evidence that prior to Judaism's evolution Yahweh was a lesser deity of a larger pantheon. I'm very happy to agree with you that God is not alone.... but this does not imply that there are 3 gods that are in reality one god.
Remember, out ancestors invented polytheism much earlier than monotheism. Yahweh as a singular god came onto the scene quite later in the evolution of religion and he came from a pantheon, which explains a lot of the pluralism in the OT regarding god(s). What Christianity actually did with the whole idea of the trinity was a step backwards towards polythesim, and Catholicism took it even a step further by raising Mary to a level of importance that borders on hubris, in effect she is almost (or more) powerful than the Jesus component of God because people pray to her to intercede with her son... who is also the father... and it all gets a little confusing.
Anyway... this is going off-topic... sorry, why can/can't Christians ignore the OT laws?
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