(July 17, 2015 at 10:11 am)Rhythm Wrote: Yeah, you gotta give credit where it's due, eh FNM. People have spent alot of time trying to hammer god into something demonstrably true. Of coure they're going to have -something- to show for their trouble. I actually like the general thrust of pre-sup...in that it asks one to consider which worldviews, out of an endless sea of candidate worldviews, explains the most, and are the most coherent. Obviously, christian presuppositionalists believe that the christian worldview does, but the same method could be applied to -any- worldview....and it;s not a bad exercise. I think where pre-sups shine is in demonstrating that some other argument claiming to rule god out simply can;t do so. They're better leveraged against competing worldviews than they are at establishing the truth of their own, but that's pretty much explicit in their design...so I guess it shouldn't be surprising.
The thing is, just describing them as you have here you think to yourself, "Well, that's total bullshit," but the arguments have been refined so much to be slippery and hard to nail down that when you get someone that really knows what they're talking about, there's no kill-shot to bring it down.
I guess, though, that is a testament in itself as to the validity of Christianity when it is forced to be weaselly just to avoid falling flat on its face right out of the gate.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
