RE: Is there free speech in Belfast?
July 17, 2015 at 6:19 pm
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2015 at 6:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Perhaps a more mundane scenario might help to simplfy the discussion? If we got some nutball who came onto these boards and started babling about how evil gays were, and how a good person should "remove them" from this world....and some -other- nutball, lurking on these boards, went out and followed that advice......I;m going to point the "murderer" finger at the second nutball, not the first. No one;s getting away that easily with me.
"Oh, but he was so convincing!" - Bullshit, you're a murderous nutball, that has nothing to do with that other -loudmouthed- nutball.
People use the example of Hitler often enough in this conversations, but Hitler didn't make any of that shit happen, no more so than nutball 1 above. I think it's a huge mistake to think that the will of the german people didn't -include- the holocaust and WW2. He wasn't -inciting- anything, he was holding up a mirror. I think it's a mistake to think that the people who voice an opinion are the source -of- that opinion. I think it's a mistake to think that this "hate speech" business is a free lunch, that it can't be used to precisely the same end, by all of the "Little Hitlers" in life. I find hate speech as distasteful as you, mind you...I hope you don't think I'm disagreeing on that count, but I also think it's an oily, oily term (even my own ideas of what constitutes hate speech could hardly be said to be demonstrably true, more than just my opinion). I've been told more than once that my opinion of christianity is hate speech......lol. Inciting to violence is in a similar position. My government has a history of accusing it;s opponents of inciting violence for no other reason than to provide the pretext required to act against them, something they'd planned regardless......
"Oh, but he was so convincing!" - Bullshit, you're a murderous nutball, that has nothing to do with that other -loudmouthed- nutball.
People use the example of Hitler often enough in this conversations, but Hitler didn't make any of that shit happen, no more so than nutball 1 above. I think it's a huge mistake to think that the will of the german people didn't -include- the holocaust and WW2. He wasn't -inciting- anything, he was holding up a mirror. I think it's a mistake to think that the people who voice an opinion are the source -of- that opinion. I think it's a mistake to think that this "hate speech" business is a free lunch, that it can't be used to precisely the same end, by all of the "Little Hitlers" in life. I find hate speech as distasteful as you, mind you...I hope you don't think I'm disagreeing on that count, but I also think it's an oily, oily term (even my own ideas of what constitutes hate speech could hardly be said to be demonstrably true, more than just my opinion). I've been told more than once that my opinion of christianity is hate speech......lol. Inciting to violence is in a similar position. My government has a history of accusing it;s opponents of inciting violence for no other reason than to provide the pretext required to act against them, something they'd planned regardless......
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