RE: Why homosexuality is forbidden in islam
July 19, 2015 at 11:58 am
(This post was last modified: July 19, 2015 at 11:58 am by SteelCurtain.)
Lol, I was sorely waiting for this thread and the mind bending stupidity that would ensue. You didn't disappoint, huss8ein. (Incidentally, you have confirmed that I cannot be "ethical" like you. I don't judge people before they give me something to judge.)
Your arguments here are flawed from the start. Whether you actually believe the inane idea that homosexuality leads to higher crime and violence, we have a wonderful petri dish with which to test your hypothesis. (You mentioned that you have a penchant for the scientific method, you'll like this.)
Let's take America, for example. It is a given that LGBT destigmatization is happening here in America. We're not done, but it is no longer moral to say bigoted things or discriminate against gay people in the US, in most places, and certainly in the public sphere. There are still pockets in the south that like to rally up the troops and keep teh gays from taking over. (oddly enough, what do you think those backwards places have in common? Yup, religion.)
Anyhow, so there is an inverse ratio between the amount of LGBT discrimination and stigma and the number of 'out' gays and lesbians in America. In the 1980's less than 2% of individuals identified as LGBT. As recently as 2013, that number is up to around 4.3%.
Guess what, huss88ein? The violent crime rate has dropped in the US every single year since 1991. Every single year. Now, I am tempted to take a page out of your book and make correlation into causation, but I know better. This doesn't prove by any means that a society with homosexuals in it is any more or less likely to be violent. But it does take a large chunk out of your assertion that there is a correlation between homosexuality and violent societies.
Also, not for nothing, no homosexuality in Islamic societies, and how would you characterize their incidence of violence?
Your arguments here are flawed from the start. Whether you actually believe the inane idea that homosexuality leads to higher crime and violence, we have a wonderful petri dish with which to test your hypothesis. (You mentioned that you have a penchant for the scientific method, you'll like this.)
Let's take America, for example. It is a given that LGBT destigmatization is happening here in America. We're not done, but it is no longer moral to say bigoted things or discriminate against gay people in the US, in most places, and certainly in the public sphere. There are still pockets in the south that like to rally up the troops and keep teh gays from taking over. (oddly enough, what do you think those backwards places have in common? Yup, religion.)
Anyhow, so there is an inverse ratio between the amount of LGBT discrimination and stigma and the number of 'out' gays and lesbians in America. In the 1980's less than 2% of individuals identified as LGBT. As recently as 2013, that number is up to around 4.3%.
Guess what, huss88ein? The violent crime rate has dropped in the US every single year since 1991. Every single year. Now, I am tempted to take a page out of your book and make correlation into causation, but I know better. This doesn't prove by any means that a society with homosexuals in it is any more or less likely to be violent. But it does take a large chunk out of your assertion that there is a correlation between homosexuality and violent societies.
Also, not for nothing, no homosexuality in Islamic societies, and how would you characterize their incidence of violence?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<---
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<---
